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sparks


Jan 9, 2013, 3:51 PM

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This is Manzanillo ... and we have many presta nombre properties here that aren't normalized and able to have a fideicomiso ....

I got there 1 minute to nine and was ticket #11. It was a quarter to 12 when I finished with my paperwork. I think the main reason for being so slow is half the people don't know the rules have changed and they need all the options explained to them. Many don't know the difference between a fideicomiso and a presta nombre. Two couples were forced to go permanent. The guy interviewing them asked if they owned a house and needed to see their fideicomiso if they did. All these people have presta nombres (La Manzanilla) but they assured the guy they had a fideicomiso. I asked the woman who interviewed me about needing to own a house and she said not important. You figure that one!! I don't think INM knows what a presta nombre is.

Another reason for being slow is they are asking people to come back a second time for finger printing ... and they jump ahead of the line. Dave got finger printed because he cripple, I got mine because I told them I drive a kid to school every day, the guy beside me got his (I think) just because he said he lived in Melaque and it's a long drive. Try that if they want you to make 3 trips. We waited till 1pm for finger printing and got out at a quarter after.

For permanent you need a years worth of bank statements but my interviewer didn't know about income levels to qualify. For a renewal you need 6 month of statements

Anyway ... I got a 2 year visa for about $4800mx and the card will be ready in 3-4 weeks

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barmarr

Jan 9, 2013, 4:30 PM

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Concerned...
The Puerto Vallarta INM office policy demanding that our current visa expire for one day before we can apply for our renewal/new visa appears to only be happening here in PV.
I understand that this is allowing them to charge an additional fee for the expired visa BUT actually this also cancels our TIP on our U.S. plated car.

If we live in the PV area, is it possible for us to renew our visa elsewhere?


careyeroslib

Jan 9, 2013, 5:11 PM

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Barmarr, we have been working with the Vallarta office for 13 years (me) and 17 years(my husband) respectively. Since 2009 they have been exceptioinally helpful. Everybody I know agrees.

I completely disagree with your cynical view of the Puerto Vallarta office.

I´ll be back on the 29th (or 30th) when our applications have been successfully submitted. We chose to apply under Section 6 which says we must be a resident for 4 years (not 4 years less 2.5 weeks). I´m happy the form will be submitted as of Jan. 29th, 4 years plus one day.

If you´re worried, Barmarr, apply under a different criterion. We chose residency(Section 6) because it was easier. Less paperwork. These are very nice people. They are not out to get people. That´s just wrong.


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joaquinx


Jan 11, 2013, 3:25 PM

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I went down to the INM office here in Xalapa simply to find out, in March, what would be my status. I don't have the income to qualifiy for a residente permanente. What I do have is five years on a FM3/No Inmigrante and one year on a FM2/Inmigrante. I was told that I'll have to get a residente temporal) and hold it for three years. After that, I'll be granted a residente permanente. Cost of the three year visa is 5,940 pesos.
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El Gato


Jan 16, 2013, 8:37 AM

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My DH went for his RP as we are on Social Security (have 2 years of FM2) - his renewal was due beginning of Dec & he was the first to apply under new rules. Computer shows Sonora receiving paperwork on 10 enero. Not sure how long it will take from that date or if it has to go elsewhere. Allan of INM office thought it would come through in Feb. My renewal isn't due until Oct.
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Rolly


Jan 21, 2013, 11:28 AM

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This morning I went to my INM office to verify what I was sure is the rule -- prior time with an FM3 cannot be added to Inmigrante time to get to Residente Permanente.

While I was there, I got a copy of the new Formato Básico form which is here.

Rolly Pirate


joaquinx


Jan 21, 2013, 11:40 AM

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This morning I went to my INM office to verify what I was sure is the rule -- prior time with an FM3 cannot be added to Inmigrante time to get to Residente Permanente.

While I was there, I got a copy of the new Formato Básico form which is here.


Yep, that's the rule. Four years on the same visa. I had five on an fm3/no inmigrante and now one on an fm2/inmigrante and I have to put 3 on a Temporal before I get a Permanente.
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viktoremski


Jan 22, 2013, 12:54 PM

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I went to INM office in Tijuana yesterday. I have had over two years on current Residente Inmigrante, and five years on previous FM3. I had registered my application for "cambio de condicion... a RP" online a few days earlier, and I prepared all the documents they might think of. The only thing I did not have was "pago bancario" form to make the necessary payments. For that reason I did not go directly to one of the processing windows, but to information desk instead. I explained what I came for, and that I needed the bank form. The clerk exclaimed that I could not apply for RP at this moment, and asked me to come back in October when my current card is expiring. She was insisting on that until I told her that I had called the INM hotline earlier, and that I was informed I could apply for RP at any time. She looked frustrated, and allowed me to go to the processing window. The officer there agreed with me that I could apply, but... I needed to go to the information desk again, obtain bank forms, and make the necessary payments. Fortunately, there was a different person at the information desk now. He also agreed that there was no problem. He gave me the bank forms and the new "basico" form, which still has the same questions about religion (!), situation at work (!), and long time ago residency in US (!), but is designed slightly differently. They also did not like the letter I adapted from YucaLandia site (sorry) especially the "(FM2)" mention. Here is the only version they want to see in Tijuana:
Tijuana, B.C., A___de___de 2013
Instituto Nacional de Migracion
A quien corresponda.
Por medio de la presente, solicito: Cambio de condicion de estancia de residente temporal a residente permanente en virtud de haber renovado mi documento migratorio por mas de 4 anos ininterrumpidamente. Mi nombre es___ de nacionalidad ___. Y; bajo protesta de decir verdad, manifiesto que aun subsisten las condiciones bajo las cuales me fue concedida la condicion de estancia. Vivo de mis recursos traidos del extranjero. El domicilio dond vivo es:___
Sin mas por el momento quedo muy agradecido.
Atentamente
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After I made the payments of $3,815 and $1,000, and I redid the documents, I went back to the office, and had my application accepted without any further problem. Now I have to check my "pieza" online, and then go back, hopefully to do fingerprinting and leave them my charming pictures ;]


pacabeddow

Jan 23, 2013, 10:00 AM

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I am a little concerned about the information I recently received at the Ensenada immigration office. I went in to renew my FM3, of course knowing that it is no longer called that . The girl at the desk told me that since I had 4 years on my FM3, that I could move on to the permanent residente status. My FM3 expires on 2/12/2013. She told me I had to wait until after 2/12/2013 to apply for my permanent card and had up until 6 MONTHS to do this. THIS IS THE PART THAT CONCERNS ME...6 months? Could this be? Thanks for a response.


YucaLandia


Jan 23, 2013, 11:57 AM

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This approach follows the old route to Inmigrado status, where you complete 5 years on an FM2, and then apply for an Inmigrado permit within 6 months of completing 5 years of FM2. This approach does not exactly fit the requirements listed in the May 2011 Law or the Nov. 2012 Lineamientos. Still, each regional INM office has broad discretion and latitude in how they apply the federal rules.
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mazbook1


Jan 23, 2013, 4:55 PM

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YucaLandia, You're correct, as usual, but this is such VERY odd information that I think the person who posted it [pacabeddow] should go back to the Ensenada INM office and ask to speak to the manager. Under the new rules, IF that advice were followed, it would result in the person having to leave México, go to the nearest Mexican Consulate and start the process of getting a Residente Permanente card from scratch. NOT a desirable thing to have to do.


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Rolly


Jan 23, 2013, 5:09 PM

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A few days ago at my INM office, I was told to apply for Permanente on the day my Temporal expires.

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Ric Hoffman


Jan 26, 2013, 11:12 AM

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When you read the requirements listed for each INM actions, you will see what is actually needed to process your request. The second requirement listed for Artículo 44. Ficha del trámite para cambio de condición de estancia en la modalidad, de residente temporal a residente permanente: states: Tarjeta de residente temporal, válida y vigente; if you wait until it expires it may not be accepted.

Translate as: Temporary Resident Card, valid and current.


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Microvolt

Jan 26, 2013, 6:41 PM

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Hi – I wanted to give my final report on applying for a Residente Permanent, as someone who has been on 2 working (lucrative) FM3’s since 2003 – I applied based on years accumulated, having a 4 on the back of my previous card - a neighbor was going to San Luis Potosi on Monday and offered me a ride, instead I asked him if he could try to pick up my visa because we are far from San Luis, and I printed a “Carta Poder”, a letter authorizing him to pick up my visa which I signed and had two people sign as testigos (witnesses) – I attached to the letter photocopies of: the first page of my passport, the letter they gave me in immigration that has the NUT#, and the credencial de elector (ID) of the two testigos.

And it worked; they gave him my card, and hand wrote a couple of instructions on the envelope about reporting a change of address, or getting married, - and that was it – it feels good, to not have the pressure to go every year, or worry about travelling close to the renewal date – the card looks professional and modern – and another positive detail, the CURP is correct, the CURP has the right letters – it matches my RFC and has the “X” signifying the lack of a second last name, in the right place (It would have kind of sucked to have a “permanent” visa with a permanent error) – this was something I had been a little worried about because my last two FM3 cards had an error in the CURP, similar to what others have discussed here in recent posts, but I had never reported it or tried to correct it.

I am new to Mexconnect – I started reading the first week of November after a google search about the new visa rules, because I needed to understand better the new system and the changes – now that my visa process has completed its cycle I will probably read less - but I want to thank all of you for your helpful contributions and wisdom – I have been reading daily, in the living forums, and have enjoyed the give and take and the personalities – I even like the arguing for the most part, because people express their passions from different perspectives, and it is often helpful in hashing out the most accurate information, even if it might not always be the most efficient way to get there – Thanks.



Johnarnold

Jan 28, 2013, 11:27 AM

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Hola! Has ANYBODY received a temporary visa the "new way" ..ie...began at a Mexican consul office then arrived in Mexico to exchange the passport special tourist visa for thier Temporay visa? I arrived here in Mazatlan and applied November 28. ..and still waiting.....


Johnarnold

Jan 29, 2013, 7:34 AM

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Hola! Has ANYBODY received a temporary visa the "new way" ..ie...began at a Mexican consul office then arrived in Mexico to exchange the passport special tourist visa for thier Temporay visa? I arrived here in Mazatlan and applied November 28. ..and still waiting.....


Anybody at all???? Is the silence really "no" ? :-)


johnrmcc

Jan 29, 2013, 5:05 PM

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I originally applied in Dec. The paperwork was approved and I went to Cancun INM Jan 25, 2013 to pay the fee and was fingerprinted. They said the card would be back in 3 weeks. I asked if there was a way to check online to assure it it had arrived and they said no I would have to come check at the office.


Johnarnold

Jan 29, 2013, 5:51 PM

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I originally applied in Dec. The paperwork was approved and I went to Cancun INM Jan 25, 2013 to pay the fee and was fingerprinted. They said the card would be back in 3 weeks. I asked if there was a way to check online to assure it it had arrived and they said no I would have to come check at the office.


Thanks for the reply John. So yours will be "soon" also. I went to Mazatlan Migracion today and was very disappointed ..but not too surprised... I was offered a FOUR year temporary residence back in November and paid for that number of years. I was told today they made a mistake only ONE year is allowed to be paid for. So...I had to pay for that year while I get in line at another government office to get my refund for the four years. However...I was told that it would take only 10 more days... Really. :-)??.....


YucaLandia


Jan 29, 2013, 6:43 PM

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I originally applied in Dec. The paperwork was approved and I went to Cancun INM Jan 25, 2013 to pay the fee and was fingerprinted. They said the card would be back in 3 weeks. I asked if there was a way to check online to assure it it had arrived and they said no I would have to come check at the office.


Thanks for the reply John. So yours will be "soon" also. I went to Mazatlan Migracion today and was very disappointed ..but not too surprised... I was offered a FOUR year temporary residence back in November and paid for that number of years. I was told today they made a mistake only ONE year is allowed to be paid for. So...I had to pay for that year while I get in line at another government office to get my refund for the four years. However...I was told that it would take only 10 more days... Really. :-)??.....


... I was offered a FOUR year temporary residence back in November ...
This is curious.

The only way a foreigner can get a 4 year Temporary Resident card, is to apply for a new permit at their Consulate outside of Mexico. If someone is applying from inside Mexico, they must already have an FM2 or FM3 - and as they are applying for an extension of that existing FM2 or FM3, they will have already completed either 1 year, or 2 years, or 3 years on that current permit. This means that it really is not possible for ordinary foreigners to apply for 4 years of a Residente Temporal card from inside Mexico.

Refugees and other special categories can enter Mexico on Visitante permits, and then apply for a Residente Temporal card while in Mexico. Typical foreigners here in Mexico on Visitor permits must leave Mexico and apply for their Residente Temporal cards at a Consulate outside Mexico. Hence, if you are a normal foreigner in Mexico on an FM2/FM3, then you can only get an extension of your FM2/FM3 as a Residente Temporal card of 1 year - up to 3 years, depending on how many years you have already completed, not to exceed a total of 4 between the two permits. i.e. If you have completed 3 years on an FM3, then you can only apply for 1 added year with a Residente Temporal card. This has been true since Nov. 8, 2012.

or.... do I misunderstand?
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sparks


Jan 29, 2013, 6:46 PM

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Hard to believe the amount of confusion between offices and between agents. Same kind of confusion in Manzanillo on various things ... but I squeaked thru

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Johnarnold

Jan 29, 2013, 8:24 PM

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Actually I DID start the process from the Mexican consul office in Tucson. So is the Mazatlan office wrong..and if so how successful would I be at convincing them...with my lexicon of about 20 Spanish words...that I CAN indeed have a four year temporary resident visa?


YucaLandia


Jan 29, 2013, 8:57 PM

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Actually I DID start the process from the Mexican consul office in Tucson. So is the Mazatlan office wrong..and if so how successful would I be at convincing them...with my lexicon of about 20 Spanish words...that I CAN indeed have a four year temporary resident visa?


Based on this new information, yes, you should be allowed to pay for 4 years of a Temporary Resident card. (not a visa)

You could read: INM Residente Temporal and Residente Permanente Permit Fees to get the information on fees.

As listed on Yucalandia: New Rules and Procedures for Immigration, Visiting, and Staying in Mexico You could print out a copy of the Tarjeta de Residencia Fees from Article 80, Ley Federal de Derechos (D.O.F. Sept. 4, 2012), and give a copy of the DOF listing to your Mazatlan INM office.

Is it possible that the problem has come from your inability to speak Spanish, and that they misunderstood your request to pay for 4 years of a Tarjeta de Residente Temporal, or that you misunderstood them?
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careyeroslib

Jan 29, 2013, 9:34 PM

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My husband and I handed in our paperwork today, finally ( applying for Residente Permanente on the basis of 4 years residency) . We were there on January 9th but they said we had to wait until the day after our Inmigrantes expired (yesterday) before submitting the paperwork.

This is the Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco office.


Johnarnold

Jan 30, 2013, 11:08 AM

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Thanks for all the info and links Steve. I am meeting with Angel here in Mazatlan...he seems to be the local guru and facilitator for legal issue with INM and aduane. I will,update after meeting with him.


Johnarnold

Jan 30, 2013, 2:56 PM

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OK. So the local guru told me that my INITIAL temporary resident card can only be for ONE year. After that I can apply for 1 thru 4 years. TEN weeks for INM to find this mistake .. :-(
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