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DavidHF

Nov 28, 2012, 6:44 PM

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That was then, this is now.


bronco

Nov 28, 2012, 7:34 PM

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i was living there. but is it insane to make anyone return for that under any circumstances. next week mark my words, there will be even newer "regulations" remember the new people come in.


mazbook1


Nov 28, 2012, 8:26 PM

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Nearly all of the employees you deal with at INM are "civil service" employees whose jobs don't depend on the President of México's politics. There will NOT be some wholesale turnover at the INM offices, and probably not even in the one or two jobs that are political appointees, for months after the inauguration of Peña Nieto. I was here during the switchover from PRI to PAN 12 years ago and it was almost a year before the top spot here in the Mazatlán office changed hands. When my 5 years on the first FM3 booklet was up, I was called in for an interview with the new delegado, but it was nominal and didn't hold up my getting my new booklet.


YucaLandia


Nov 29, 2012, 7:00 AM

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Immigration Experts and Expats from San Miguel Allende ( SMA ) submitted a block of questions to their local INM office about the new INM rules. Yucalandia has published the list of the questions and answers, as provided by the much honored & helpful reader/contributor John Garvin.

See http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...-allende-inm-office/ for details.
steve
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Rolly


Nov 29, 2012, 7:34 AM

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I am confused. This SMA list seems to be identical to the one Masbook posted from the Mazatlán INM office.

Rolly Pirate


morgaine7


Nov 29, 2012, 7:34 AM

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The San Miguel de Allende Q & A report seems identical in both questions and responses to the one posted yesterday for Mazatlán (on the Q & A thread). How did that happen … were the organizers collaborating? Just curious.

Kate


fugawibill

Nov 29, 2012, 2:33 PM

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There were over 650 people at the Mazatlan forum this morning. We had to lock the doors, and many unhappy ones were turned away due to capacity. The Q & A are identical, to prevent some INM offices from "marching to a different drummer".


La Isla


Nov 29, 2012, 2:35 PM

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There were over 650 people at the Mazatlan forum this morning. We had to lock the doors, and many unhappy ones were turned away due to capacity. The Q & A are identical, to prevent some INM offices from "marching to a different drummer".


As if that will do much good ...


Aaron+

Nov 29, 2012, 3:19 PM

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Nearly all of the employees you deal with at INM are "civil service" employees whose jobs don't depend on the President of México's politics. There will NOT be some wholesale turnover at the INM offices, and probably not even in the one or two jobs that are political appointees, for months after the inauguration of Peña Nieto.


What you write may well be the general case. Here in the Yucatán, Milenio reported on the severance pay the outgoing PANisto delegado Rosel will receive. The inference from the article was that he was leaving INM.

On the other hand, the new administration may well take a second look at the law, regs, and enforcement notes, covering Immigration, in the coming months. Whatever, I am optimistic that any change will not put the existing expats at risk.


YucaLandia


Nov 29, 2012, 3:44 PM

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Morgaine,
My error. We received the list of Q and A from acquaintances from SMA, so, I mistakenly assumed that the list came from SMA. It clearly comes from Mazatllan.

Did anyone else notice how much key information was missing from the Mazatlan power point presentations - making them a potentially-poor/incomplete source of INM information? e.g. No mentions of Average Annual Account Balances helping Residents qualify, nothing about spouses or family members special requisitos, no mention of owning a qualifying business, no mention of owning shares in a Mexican company, etc etc.
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Microvolt

Nov 30, 2012, 10:40 PM

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A summary of my experience in the San Luis Potosi immigration office over the last 2½ weeks:


I have had a FM3 with actividades lucrativas and it says prorroga 4. It expired this 13th of November. Because I usually do things at the last minute and because I wasn’t aware of how the new system was going to work, I ended up going for the prorroga on Friday November 9th. It was good to go under the new rules, but going on the first day meant there was still confusion and a lack of the forms needed.
The supervisor took a look at my card, which says “No Inmigrante - Cargo de confianza”, (before the change to the cards, I had a FM3 Lucrativo booklet), and told the person attending me that because it had number 4, I could apply for Residente Permanente. Because the new categories were unclear to me, and because they said I would have to return on Monday again anyway to pay because they didn’t have the payment forms yet, I decided to wait and do everything the following Tuesday.


On November 13, Tuesday, I gave them the following:
  • · Internet immigration form (I didn’t fill in the information from scratch, I just plugged in the NUE number from the front on my visa and it automatically fills in the fields with text or asterisks)
  • · Anexo 3 Formato Basico (I filled it out by hand using a photocopy the immigration office had given me on Nov 9)
  • · Copy of the first page of last year’s Tax form receipt (Acuse de Recibo -Declaration Annual)
  • · Copy of the first page of my passport
  • · Letter requesting the change to Residente Permanent (“cambio de condición de residente temporal a residente permanente”), and that says I have been doing the work activities that my visa authorizes.
  • · 3 photos (1 profile and 2 facing)
  • · I also gave them some extra documents, like a, copy of my RFC, and a recommendation letter signed by someone I work with, and they accepted them, but they had not requested them beforehand.

They gave me the bank form and I made the 2 payments that same day, November 13, $1,000 and $3,815 pesos; but the bad news was they still didn’t have the new version of a form which you sign and give fingerprints. They told me that it should be there on Thursday or Friday (in 2 days). However, because of a busy schedule, and because they had given me a receipt of my application (Comprobante de Registro de Solicitud), I didn’t go back until the 28 of November.

On the 28th I was able to sign and leave fingerprints, and I thought the application would then start to be processed, but they gave me a sheet with the green letterhead signed by the delegado that says it authorizes the permanent resident status (“authorize su cambio de condicion a residente permanente”). And they told me that by December 3 or 4 the card should be ready. So I asked if that was it, and I was already approved, and they said yes.
Based on different forum comments I had been thinking that things will now be processed more in Mexico City, but based on my experience, I am not so sure, and it doesn’t coincide with the fact that the date on my authorization says November 15, only 2 days after I submitted the application.

I thought this would be useful, especially to La Isla, and anyone in the Lucrativa categories. I don’t know what happens if the prorroga is number 2 or 3. Also, from what I saw they don’t seem too focused on extensive financial documentation, at least for lucrativos.


AlanMexicali


Dec 3, 2012, 6:41 AM

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Has anyone actually gotten their tarjetas/visas from their INM office even though it was approved? I mean new applications not renewals. I am still waiting. Alan


bronco

Dec 3, 2012, 3:34 PM

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 in your city, are they asking for financials for an expired card? to change from temp to PR?


Dreamer Blue

Dec 5, 2012, 7:26 AM

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Just to add to the list of recent experiences. My first-time application for No Immigrante started in Vancouver in late October when I visited the Mexican Consulate there. They required a completed application form, a passport valid for more than a year and a letter from my bank showing I had the required amount of monthly income. They took my photo and fingerprints (electronic pad) and two hours later I had a large Mexican Visa (No Immigrante) stamped in my passport and a printed letter of receipt of payment.
Move on to my arrival at the border at Nogales. They looked at my passport stamp and gave me a Tourist Visa (no charge) valid for 30 days and I paid the fee for my car at Banerjito where they gave me a piece of paper, printed in both spanish and english, saying that I had to transfer the vehicle from my tourist Visa to my new No Inmigrante visa as soon as I had it.
Move to Chapale and I took in my completed Tramite (downloaded from the internet) and they gave me a paper with my number and password on it so I could check its progress on the INM website. I had to wait almost five weeks till the website told me it was ready but then I went to the Chapala office with my photos, they printed out my card on the old printer, added my photos with a glue stick, took all my fingerprints on one form, laminated the paper and cut it to size and I was out of there in less than ten minutes.


Axixic


Dec 5, 2012, 7:56 AM

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Is it a new Temporal or Permanente or the old FM3 or 2? Since it was printed at the Chapala office I think it must be the old FM which has nothing to do with the problems we see with the new rules.


Dreamer Blue

Dec 5, 2012, 9:05 AM

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New Inmigrante Temporal


La Isla


Dec 5, 2012, 9:29 AM

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New Inmigrante Temporal


The new categories are Residente Temporal and Residente Permanente.


Dreamer Blue

Dec 5, 2012, 9:37 AM

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Okay.


Rolly


Dec 5, 2012, 9:43 AM

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Dreamer, please look at your card and tell us exactly what it says.
I'm betting it says No Inmigrante.

Rolly Pirate


viktoremski


Dec 5, 2012, 12:08 PM

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Since he had started his process before November 9 of this year, I'm sure he's got what we've had for the last couple of years. Not the the old FM*, but not the newest version, either. He has the laminated 70's style No Inmigrante or Inmigrante visa.


Axixic


Dec 5, 2012, 1:46 PM

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It must be because a local office cannot produce a card. The new cards are sent to the local offices.


Rolly


Dec 6, 2012, 12:31 PM

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I received this e-mail today:

I went into The immigration office for Nayarit on Tuesday and ran into a
problem. I have always had 30 days to report to the office with all my
paperwork and I was in plenty of time for that. However, we now only have 5
days to report, in person, at the immigration office after arriving in Mexico.
This change was effective Nov. 9th, I was told. Therefore they have asked me
to start at the beginning to apply for immigration status - with 6 months bank
statements, a full copy of all the pages of the fedicomiso for the bank trust
etc. etc. plus, write a letter of apology and pay a fine. I was very polite
and asked if there was any other way to do this. They said no. I don't think
I will proceed. The only reason I had my immigration status was to drive my
car legally. Has anyone else had this problem, i wonder.

Rolly Pirate


Rob H

Dec 6, 2012, 1:02 PM

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Here's what's happened at the San Felipe (Baja California) INM office when I took in the paperwork today for a couple of renewals.

First card is an existing No Immigrante on Prorroga 2. For that, just needs the "expedicion de tarjeta de residente por renovacion" online form that I had prepared, formato basico, copy of passport details page and the old card. The cover letter I prepared saying nothing has changed wasn't quite right so I was given an example to use and I'll be back tomorrow, along with the payment. Also, the online form needs to have a full list of the attached items in the comments, so I'll redo that. No financial data needed.

The second renewal didn't go so well. That's a No Immigrante on Prorroga 1, following 5 years on a previous FM3 that I wanted to go to Permanent. Apparently the rule here is that having a "regularisation" in the middle of the years (to get a second FM3) disqualifies the previous years (even if on time and no fine). In other words, they say it is impossible for two FM3s to be consecutive. All I can get for that is a two year temporary.

So, has anybody had an application for Permanent accepted (anywhere in Mexico) on the basis of more than 4 years residence, where that is when totalling two consecutive FM3s, rather than an FM3 followed by FM2? (not counting cases where you have the $2.4k/mo pension income, or assets, as those are different routes).

They also hadn't heard of the c.$125k assets for 12 months test as a route to permanent, only monthly pension income. That one at least I can point them to the tramites, but it's the interpretation of "consecutive" for FM3s that seems to be flexible unfortunately.

Rob


ChetumalDreamer

Dec 6, 2012, 5:50 PM

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In the new "Reglamentos", Article 160, it says that if your immigration document expires while you are out of the country you have up to 55 days to return to Mexico. After your return you will have 5 working days ("días habiles") to present your application for renewal, You will not be allowed into Mexico on an immigration document that has been expired for more than 55 days. In other words, don't plan on letting your document expire, returning and paying a fine and continuing with a renewal. Under the old rules you had 60 days to return to Mexico without paying a fine and then 30 days to initiate your renewal.


YucaLandia


Dec 7, 2012, 8:34 AM

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Dreamer, please look at your card and tell us exactly what it says.
I'm betting it says No Inmigrante.


Re Looking at your current INM Card for what it actually says:

Important updates on past FM-3 time counting towards Residente Permanente
On Dec. 7, 2012: John Garver, a highly reliable and regular Yucalandia contributor writes:

…my wife’s client in San Miguel has the word “PERMANENCIA” on the Immigration computer system when checking her client’s history. This word showed up when client reached 5 years and started over on a FM-3. Thanks to the word “PERMANENCIA” they counted total time on current and past FM-3′s after they met with Mireya the Subdirector. . . . "

The rest of the information on the ramifications of your INM card having PERMANENCIA” vs. "REGULARIZATION”

can be read at: http://yucalandia.com/...sidente%20Permanente ...

Click on the " IMPORTANT UPDATES on past FM-3 time counting towards Residente Permanente " item in the Key Mexican Issues and Key Topics section at the beginning of the report.

Special kudos to Dreamer Blue for keeping all of us up to date with very good information about the details of how to visit Mexico and how to get or renew Residency in Mexico.
steve
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