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Rolly


Nov 14, 2012, 5:42 PM

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We have five or six threads dealing with the new INM rules.
It will be much more useful to consolidate our experiences.
So. please, lets use this thread to report of experience with INM and Consulate offices.

Rolly Pirate


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sparks


Nov 14, 2012, 6:47 PM

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From SMA Yahoo Group
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Today my husband and I went to the Mexican Consulate in San Jose California to apply for our temporary visa's.

I want to share what happened to us, this is just our experience we are not experts or even experienced this is our first time for the application and we have not held more than a FMM visa.

We were told that we could obtain the temporary visa by meeting the Monthly income requirements as Silva and other's have indicated.

OR by having $103,000. USD in the bank or investments.

OR by owning a home valued at $188,000/$200,000 (this figure seems to be a little less settled). So three paths to the temporary visa.


No financial reporting required during the four year visa, and it can be renewed again without additional financial paperwork. To move to the permanent visa after the four years requires only one bank statement proving your income source is still viable.

No letter from the bank was required, we provided photo copies of six months worth of statements. We also provided proof of our monthly income from pensions, social security.

Very easy, very pleasant experience. By the way the application forms just arrived the day before so if you have an appointment in the next week call before you go in to make sure they have the forms available.

I asked why the monthly amount had increased so much and was told that it was because there are a number of people who are in Mexico on false income documentation or are working illegally. That the new income requirement was intended to uncover those who are not abiding by the rules. Don't know if this is correct or not seems a little odd but that is not my point. My point is don't be afraid, they did not try to make our lives difficult in fact they were quite nice about everything and all went smoothly.

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mazbook1


Nov 14, 2012, 8:26 PM

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sparks, It sounds as if she and her husband were first time applicants for Residente Temporal status (since there is no such thing as a "temporary visa". It would be interesting to follow this one up, as she and her husband still have to go to the INM office in SMdeA to actually GET their Residente Temporal cards.


Rolly


Nov 14, 2012, 8:44 PM

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A cyber friend reports on his experience renewing his Inmigrante in Guaymas
I went in today and got everything done in one session (imagine!) Nothing new from last year except the title -- from Inmigrante Rentista to Residente Temporal. I paid for 3 years and will be eligible for permanent residence at that time.

Rolly Pirate


pvgolf

Nov 14, 2012, 8:53 PM

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I must add my 2 cents worth....and I want to be factual.....the circumstances that my wife and I enjoy may not match yours....the experience I will relate is very specific to our circumstances, however, I found my Mexican officials to be very professional, friendly, and helpful.
My wife and I live in Puerto Vallarta about 7 months a year. Our NoImmigrante plastic cards (replacement for FM3 a couple of years ago) were up for their 4th renewal (5 year total) Nov 30. (many others may not match our precise timing or tenure situation, so their process could be VERY different).
We knew of the proposed changes. We decided to wait for renewal/replacement unitl after Nov 9 or 10 so that we would benifit from the regulations.....we did not perceive much downside.
The process: we visited the INM office Tuesday during their first half hour. We were given forms, instructions, and a nice smile. Bring these items and all will proceed.....I must admit that we are maybe beyond kitchen Spanish, but between the INM first stop and our practiced understandings, this was to be a no brainer.
We did push the topic of qualifying via Real Estate investment, but that got a deaf ear. A formal doc was presented, via WebSite copy, that clearly stated the requirements for Residente Permanente.
Wedneseday morn.....And that is just what we decided to use for compliance. Formata Basico, web based application for Pieza, clearly outlinged elsewhere in this site.....it took maybe 30 minutes to complete the forms, much longer to download and print the first page of bank and stock broker statements over the past 12 months...All filled in and presented on Wednesday morning.
And, there was the choice given to us.....very appreciated that this was part of the Tuesday prelim office visit discovery........ Prove via printed regular statements that either 1) EACH applicant (zero understanding of 'spouse added at some percentage less') MUST show EITHER .....32,000 pesos per month income from REGULAR monthly deposits to a bank account for the past 6 months....OR....1,500,000 pesos average monthly balance in identifiable account(s) for the past 12 months......OR one must leave the county by expiration of the plastic card. If we chose to leave Mexico, we were told we could use the FMM 180 day method, or apply at a local USA consulate of Mexico for the Residente Temporal, which could transition to something else over time....intent understood.....if only my native natiion could be so clear.
So, we have used the online system, the officina visit, this site and others. Our application was accepted, logged into the national database system and we await the internet message to "go to the office" for the final fingerprint, fee payment, signatures......and some well earned chuckles over the entire process.
It is what it is, until it changes. This is factually how the process for our particular set of circumstances presented itself and was resolved this week in PV.


morgaine7


Nov 14, 2012, 9:26 PM

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PVGolf, congratulations, and thank you for your detailed report. My only question is whether they accepted your printouts of online statements, or whether you had to provide original statements mailed to you by the companies. That's an issue for me, because all my financial accounts are "paperless". My situation is similar to yours, except for being on the 4th renewal of Inmigrante.

Kate


careyeroslib

Nov 15, 2012, 5:49 AM

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Thanks pvgolf! Quick question re: payment. Did you go to the office and get a form to take to the bank and bring back? (as we always did other years) And was it for $1000 pesos, or the $3,000 (I forget the exact number)? Many thanks. We deal with the Maritime Terminal office in PV too.


pvgolf

Nov 15, 2012, 5:57 AM

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Our acconts are all paperless as well. I used my trusty home color pc printer, printed the front detail page from each of 12 months online statments at a brokerage house, mnade a second copy of each. At the PV INM office, they did not want the second copy, nor query about mailed originals (However, the instruction sheet did ask for an Original and copy.....so, go once again it is what it is. Be prepared and you will be pleased ) Each page I submitted was stamped by the official, he produced my new NUT and CLAVE associated with my PIEZA from the online application. He said to look daily at the INM website for an alert to come back to office for fingerprinting and the new card.


pvgolf

Nov 15, 2012, 6:08 AM

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Exactly. When we first visited to ascertain the new process and were given instruciton sheets, we were also given a document/form to take to the bank. It was indeed for $1000 pesos. We promptly paid and made a couple of copies to attach with our packet which we submitted the next day.

Upon submission, we were told when we return for fingerprints and the actual card, we will be given another form to take to the bank and pay the amount of 3,185 pesos.
This two step process may or may not apply to other's situation. I did not clearly understand why that part of the application/renewal/update process now required two formal payments in two formal steps.

Of course, our process is not yet complete either. We could be notifed that something is amiss, something has changed etc, so don't count on a new Residente Permanent card until it is in hand. PV however does seem to have its act together at this officina. Smooth flow of people, sufficient clerks, new waiting room, still take number and wait though....we were in and out first time in 10 minutes of understanding the new process, then 1 hour on second visit to submit our packets.....45 minutes of that hour were spent reading and awaiting our number to be called. There were about 10 people ahead of us.


morgaine7


Nov 15, 2012, 7:28 AM

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Thanks again. Yes, I realize our office may ask for something different, but this gives me hope that online copies will be okay. I plan to visit INM to get the requirements before preparing my file. Another issue is that my accounts have quarterly statements, not monthly, so we'll see what happens with that. Each statement is 5-6 pages long, and I have two accounts, so I hope I also only have to submit the first page.

Kate


careyeroslib

Nov 15, 2012, 12:37 PM

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Thank you pvgolf for your clear detailed answers to both my and Morgraine´s questions. We have always used Online Bank Statements with no problem at the PV office so it´s nice to know that appears to be the case . (Thank you too Morgraine for asking your question). We will certainly go to the office first to pick up the payment form. Best wishes to all.


Judy Parker

Nov 15, 2012, 3:53 PM

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Went to INM in Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit today and this was my experience.
My No Inmigrante card was for the first year in this new 4 year term. (No prorrogas listed on back side) I was able to renew for 3 more years to continue my Residente Temporal. The items required were:
Application from the internet (both pages with my pieza number)
One copy of photo and personal info page of U.S. Passport
Personal letter (they gave me a form letter to fill out so I could add my personal info)
2 front and 1 right side color photos
Formato Basico

I was given the bank form to pay for the next 3 years - $5940 pesos

Returned with 2 copies of the bank receipt and was given my registration form with my NUT so I could check when the card will be ready. I was told about 2 weeks.

No financial, utility bill, etc. required.
Everything easy but patient is necessary since so many folks need help with this new system.


La Isla


Nov 15, 2012, 4:17 PM

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No financial, utility bill, etc. required. .


Do you mean that you didn't have to present proof of monthly income via bank statements?


Judy Parker

Nov 15, 2012, 4:31 PM

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Exactly!


sparks


Nov 15, 2012, 4:35 PM

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Seems like whether they consider this a normal renewal or a special renewal. Manzanillo was accepting 3 months (required ?) the first two days ... and now they are asking for 6. A normal renewal should require no income proof

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La Isla


Nov 15, 2012, 4:39 PM

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What's the difference between a special renewal and a normal one? It sounds like all on the online angst about the big increase in the minimum monthly income required for the change from No Inmigrante to residente temporal has been misplaced. Or am I just getting confused again?


Axixic


Nov 15, 2012, 4:45 PM

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If you are renewing an FM3 rentista during the 4 time renewal, then you don't need financials. If it is your 5th time, you start over and need financials.

If it is a rentista lucracado or no lucracado (sp) you must show financials no matter where it is in the 5 year period.


La Isla


Nov 15, 2012, 5:06 PM

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If you are renewing an FM3 rentista during the 4 time renewal, then you don't need financials. If it is your 5th time, you start over and need financials.

If it is a rentista lucracado or no lucracado (sp) you must show financials no matter where it is in the 5 year period.


Having never had a rentista visa, I wasn't aware of that distinction. Thanks for the explanation.

Do you mean "lucrativo"? I have an No Inmigrante lucrativa visa, which allows me to work in Mexico. Each time I need to renew it, I must present a very brief written statement of what lucrative activity I´ll be engaged in (in my case, free-lance English teaching) and need to show proof that I paid Mexican taxes the month previous to my application date. That's it.


Axixic


Nov 15, 2012, 7:38 PM

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This is getting too confusing. I reread the post that explained showing financials for rentista and it might be only showing financials for a "rentista no lucrativo". You read it. My mind has tried to understand too much of this stuff lately.

http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/

I called the Hotline in DF four separate times today to see if I would get a different answer when speaking to another agent than the first one this morning, and, the answer from the four was the same;

1) When renewing, you can renew from one to four years, depending on how long you want to stay. If you have two years on your current visa and only want to renew for two years, that’s fine.
~ At the end of the four years total (does not matter whether the first year or two or three were FM2 or FM3), you may then request a change to Residente Permanente based on four years residence;
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however, if you are here as a rentista no lucrativo, you will be asked to provide six bank statements** to prove that you have the monthly minimum required for Permanente ($2500 US ??)

2) You do not have to change to Permanente, just as you are not required to do now.
At the expiration of you Temp Visa, you may renew for 1-4 years at your discretion and stay in the country indefinitely. However each four years (if you renew for four years) you will have to once again show bank statements for six months showing the minimum monthly is being met. You do not have to leave the country and reapply in the US or Canada. You renew as you currently do forever…


La Isla


Nov 15, 2012, 7:45 PM

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Axixic, thanks for the clear explanation. I suppose I should call the hotline and see what they have to tell me about my particular situation. I have the feeling the answer will not be as clear cut and consistent as it has been for yours.


Axixic


Nov 15, 2012, 8:25 PM

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It is clear for me today. I doubt it will be next week.

Let us know please what they say about a work permit. I might need to get one to qualify when my two years are up on my current FM3. If I understand correctly, I can renew for a temporal for two years then I have to show financials for a new one.


La Isla


Nov 15, 2012, 8:30 PM

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To get a work permit, you have to have a definite job offer or, as in my case, I had to show proof that I was qualified (and certified) to teach English.


Axixic


Nov 16, 2012, 3:27 AM

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Other than a job offer, what will be the other qualifications? I found in the rules where one must have a business with 5 or more employees but that would be impossible for someone like you.

I can't imagine they need financials or the same financials for someone who is self employed, especially one who is teaching.


La Isla


Nov 16, 2012, 9:13 AM

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Other than a job offer, what will be the other qualifications? I found in the rules where one must have a business with 5 or more employees but that would be impossible for someone like you.

I can't imagine they need financials or the same financials for someone who is self employed, especially one who is teaching.


When I first applied for permission to teach English free-lance, I had many years of teaching experience in the States and Mexico, but all that INM wanted to see was a piece of paper certifying my ability to teach. Since none of my 3 degrees were in TEFL, I attended a short course run by a friend here and got a pretty certificate, which did the trick and got me my initial FM3. By the way, I did all of this with the help of an excellent immigration lawyer in the D.F.


Axixic


Nov 16, 2012, 10:03 AM

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Let's hope for you that it stays the same and you don't have to produce all the other information.


La Isla


Nov 16, 2012, 10:08 AM

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Let's hope for you that it stays the same and you don't have to produce all the other information.


That's why I'll be visiting that same lawyer for advice before visiting INM next spring. Crossing my fingers and taking a lot of deep breaths should help a lot too!


sparks


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Dear community,
just to share my latest experience to you. I went to the inmigration office today to extend my FM2 which is to be expired and learnt that I have to start again with the whole process of temporal resident (4 years) and after this time I will be able to get back my permanent residency. Nonsence?! Does anybody have a similar experience and know how to get the original permanent status without this stupid process again? I appreciate your suggestions. Stefanie

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morgaine7


Nov 20, 2012, 1:59 PM

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From La Paz, BCS, Nov. 20:

A friend and I just returned from the INM office in La Paz. She was at the end of her 2nd refrendo of FM2 Inmigrante. Her application for Residente Temporal was accepted without financial documentation, and she was told she can apply for Residente Permanente next time, when she has completed four years. In other words, her years on FM2/Inmigrante "count".

I've already done my 4th refrendo as FM2/Inmigrante and have to wait until a month before expiration to apply for Residente Permanente, even though I already have four years. My years on FM2/Inmigrante "count", but because I'm under the old rules, I need five years instead of four.

Kate


Axixic


Nov 20, 2012, 2:58 PM

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I started a new topic, an INM meeting in SMA today, that said the same thing. It looks like that will be done throughout the country with FM2s and FM3s.


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YucaLandia


Nov 21, 2012, 9:17 AM

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Similar news here in our Merida INM office.

The following 10 items pretty much covers the general stuff for many typical expats, who currently have an FM2 or FM3...

I talked with an INM supervisor and an experienced agent for an hour yesterday at our Merida office, and confirmed the following things for how Merida INM is handling residency applications.
1. They confirmed that all current FM2 and FM3 permit holders get full credit for time they have completed on their current permit. 2. If you want a Residente Permanente card, FM2 and FM3 years count towards the 4 years of Residente Temporal requirement.
3. FM2 and FM3 holders are asked to submit a cover letter describing that you want a “renovacion” of your current permit, changing to either Residente Temporal or Residente Permanente.
4. FM2 holders with Familiar/spouse status are eligible to apply for Residente Permanente after completing 2 years on their FM2.
5. The income requirements for proving fiscal independence are cut in half (1/2) for both home-owning Residente Permanente and Residente Temporal applicants who already have valid Inmigrante Rentista or No Inmigrante Rentista permits. This same condition is being reported from Yucalandia readers across Mexico.
6. They are generally not requiring bank statements from people who already have their FM2 Rentista or FM3 Rentista. They do however, reserve the right to ask for proof of sufficient income.
7. New applicants for Residente Permanente or Temporal (who have no current FM2 or FM3) are required to show proof of sufficient income.
8. If you have a “Lucrativo” category of prior INM permit, then you likely have to show bank statements. e.g. Permisos para realizar actividades remuneradas , have different requirements than Rentistas or Jubilados.
9. When you enter your information into the INM website, prior to going to your local office: One block of information is actually a Formato Basico, so most people do not have to fill out a Formato Basico at the INM office.
10. Bring the standard stuff on your first visit to the INM office: Letter, copies of key passport pages, passport, current INM card, but NO bank statements. They will ask for these later if they decide they want them.

11. When asked how long the approval process takes, the gritted their teeth:
~ As little as 3 days for the most routine renovaciones.
~ As much as a month for other applications.
~ Long undetermined times for some very difficult or complex applications.

Our full article with all the details on the New Immigration Rules for Mexico is at:
New Rules and Procedures for Immigration, Visiting, and Staying in Mexico – Nov. 11, 2012
So, the good news is that all the hand-wringing, drama, and highly emotional stuff bashing around the internet (re the INM rule changes) has fortunately been generally disproven by the facts, and at least by our reality in Merida.

I hope the future updates and information from across Mexico is similarly positive.

The facts (and our Merida office's requirements) clearly make it easier to become a permanent resident, they lower the costs of applications (by allowing up to 4 years paid up front vs. the previous annual trips to INM) for Temporary Residents, they have streamlined the procedures (less documentation), and they net reduced the income requirements by 30% (since our office had not allowed the 1/2 off for owning a home), plus expat residents with Mexican spouses qualify for Residente Permanente in just 2 years.

Plus, it's fun to visit with our very helpful and friendly INM personnel.
steve
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La Isla


Nov 21, 2012, 9:54 AM

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Re Yucanlandia's long post:

8. If you have a “Lucrativo” category of prior INM permit, then you likely have to show bank statements. e.g. Permisos para realizar actividades remuneradas , have different requirements than Rentistas or Jubilados.

This is confusing. I've never had to show bank statements to renew my FM3 or No Inmigrante visa, but I did have to show proof that I paid taxes the month previous to asking for the prórroga. Permiso para realizar actividades remuneradas is not a bank statement. It sounds like the INM powers-that-be still haven't figured out how to deal with those of us with lucrativa visas. What are these different requirements?


morgaine7


Nov 21, 2012, 9:58 AM

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I've already done my 4th refrendo as FM2/Inmigrante and have to wait until a month before expiration to apply for Residente Permanente, even though I already have four years. My years on FM2/Inmigrante "count", but because I'm under the old rules, I need five years instead of four.

Too late to edit, but based on a PM I got, I worded this badly in the interest of being brief. The reason I have to complete the five years of Inmigrante before applying for Permanente is that I don't switch over to the new system until my current card is due to expire next fall. If it were expiring now, I could apply now. Sorry for any confusion.

Kate


YucaLandia


Nov 21, 2012, 10:02 AM

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La Isla,
I asked your specific question of them yesterday, to help another very-confused gringo who is in some Lucrativo, Cargo de .... (???) classification, and the supervisor and agent replied that they could not discuss it, and that they would tell him his requirements at his 2'nd visit (cita) to their office.

Wish I had a more detailed final answer for you,
steve
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La Isla


Nov 21, 2012, 10:17 AM

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La Isla,
I asked your specific question of them yesterday, to help another very-confused gringo who is in some Lucrativo, Cargo de .... (???) classification, and the supervisor and agent replied that they could not discuss it, and that they would tell him his requirements at his 2'nd visit (cita) to their office.

Wish I had a more detailed final answer for you,
steve[/reply-confused

Thanks for trying! It sounds like what I said in my previous post, that they haven´t figured out yet what to do with people like me and the very-confused gringo. There is almost no mention of us in all the pages and pages of new rules and regs. It strikes me that they were written with an eye on dealing with expat retirees with little thought given to those who came here to work.

Another thought: I imagine there are lots more working expats in Mexico City than in many other parts of the country, so that could mean that very soon the DF INM office will have to figure out how to deal with us in a systematic manner, or there could be riots all along Ejército Nacional!


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Axixic


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What is a Jubilados?


Rolly


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a retired person

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Axixic


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Isn't that what a rentista is?


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I'm confused about number 7.

7. New applicants for Residente Permanente or Temporal (who have no current FM2 or FM3) are required to show proof of sufficient income.

I thought that new applications are no longer being processed in Mexico. Soulpatch would be a good example of someone who was told that under the new law his application had to be submitted in his country of origin.

Are they saying that even though he was required to show sufficient income at the Mexican consulate in the US, he will have to submit the records again in Mexico?


homey

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Not sure if this will help or answer questions but I have 2 foreign business-owning friends here in the Chapala area both on what was formerly known as FM2. As business owners they would be lucrativas. 1st friend was ending 1st year of FM2 with an expiration date before the changes. That person received a renewal of the FM2 under the old rules. The usual documents were required re passport, pictures, business license, proof of hacienda taxes paid. The 2nd business owner has an FM2 third renewal expiring in Dec 2012. That person is being told they will be converted to Residente Temporal for 1-4 years but should probably just do the 1 year and see what happens next year. This is, at the moment, the current advise given by their lawyer. The required documents are the same for this renewal. To my knowledge neither person has been asked to present proof that they are earning the new monitary requirements or prove that they have the required money in investments but they are currently in renewals not at the end of a renewal or attempting the change to Residente Permanente. It would be helpful to hear from business people who are at the end of their renewals and must now reapply for Residente Temporal or apply for Residente Permanente. Even if it is from a friend of that person and thus 2nd hand knowledge it might still give some insight or answers to those who will find themselves in the same situation in 2013.


nob2sob

Nov 21, 2012, 1:16 PM

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Just returned from the Immigration office in Oaxaca. I currently have 2 years on my FM2 and this would of been year three....I applied for Residente Permanente and I needed the following:
1. I had to submit a cover letter stating that I wanted to apply for Residente Permante.
2. Current FM2 card
3. Photos
4. 6 months of statements showing a monthly income of $2,600 USD.
5. $1000 to start the process with the remainder due in 7-10 days.
6. A copy of every page of my US passport.

My fingers are crossed and I will update any changes.


Axixic


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So they didn't wave the proof of income like others have reported from other offices when changing to a permanente after 2 years on an FM2/3?


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Isn't that what a rentista is?


jubilado is not a government term ... it just means a retired person

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sparks


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So they didn't wave the proof of income like others have reported from other offices when changing to a permanente after 2 years on an FM2/3?


If you can't wait for your 4 years to be over .... then you prove income like a new applicant. Wait for your 4 years and you "may" only have to prove you still have income

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YucaLandia


Nov 21, 2012, 2:34 PM

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Since your local INM office creates an ongoing paper file of your applications, and because they are responsible for correctly collecting and evaluating all your information, then the responsible parties at INM need current copies of your financial records to prove your fiscal independence. Since local INM offices can also include some of their own varied requirements, they may ask for different or additional information than the Consulates. Finally, the Consulates are a division of SRE, while INM is part of SEGOB - different agencies. Like so many things in Mexico, when first viewed through Canadian lenses or US lenses, it does not make sense, but if you know the roots and reasons, then you realize that things are not as arbitrary or capricious as many gringos imagine.

e.g. The changes made for FM2 and FM3 Rentista (see rentier in English - one who lives on investments) permit holders is broadly making things net easier and cheaper for us, even though the initial slightly panic-ey reactions by some expats was to imagine that the Mexican Gob. was trying to abuse or chase out expats. Life in Mexico often requires patience.
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viktoremski


Nov 21, 2012, 2:37 PM

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Hi Steve,
These are all wonderful news, and I appreciate so much your work to get us all informed.
I just did 2nd Refrendo of my Inmigrante visa under the old rules, at the beginning of November. I have 7 years altogether, including 5 years on FM3. I wonder how soon I can try to apply for "renovacion" to the Permanente status. Do I need to wait till my current Refrendo is almost expired in fall of 2013, or can I try earlier, for exemple right after the New Year? I wonder what you think... Thank you, Vic


Ric Hoffman


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person of independent means or a person who lives off the income from investments (or real estate etc)


(This post was edited by Ric Hoffman on Nov 21, 2012, 2:51 PM)


YucaLandia


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Viktor,
Long time no hear from you.

Expats who want a renovación of their current INM Tarjeta de Residencia must wait until at least 30 days before their current card expires. This means you must wait until next October to renew your current permit. Since you completed 2 years on your FM2, by next October you will have completed 3 years. That means you would have only 1 year of a Residente Temporal to complete to qualify for a Residente Permanente. If for travel reasons (being out of the country during the renewal period), you decided to try to get a Residente Temporal card now, and pay for 4 years, you would have to abandon your current FM2, which would likely make you start over on the 4 year clock of Temporary Residence to qualify for Residente Permanente.

Glad we could help,
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Axixic


Nov 21, 2012, 3:10 PM

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What about Rentista no Lucrativas? Do they need to show income at renewal?

I imagine there has been such an uproar at INM over the new rules that DF is relaxing the rules such as giving back the half of income requirement for property ownership and giving renewals with no financials.

When the new administration is in place I expect to see the financial rules to be rewritten. These are administrative rules, the rules of and written by an agency in the executive branch so they don't go through the legislative branch. They are not hard to change.


Axixic


Nov 21, 2012, 3:15 PM

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If I have porroga 1 on my FM3 that means I can pay for 4 more years and then worry about temporal or permanente, or is it 3 years? I never can get that one straight.


DavidHF

Nov 21, 2012, 3:23 PM

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The home ownership credit has been in place a long time, and it still is. I highly doubt anything will be rewritten. A quick read of multiple web boards shows that things are working fine as is. Last time I checked, the sky was not falling.


YucaLandia


Nov 21, 2012, 3:31 PM

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What about Rentista no Lucrativas? Do they need to show income at renewal?

I imagine there has been such an uproar at INM over the new rules that DF is relaxing the rules such as giving back the half of income requirement for property ownership and giving renewals with no financials.

When the new administration is in place I expect to see the financial rules to be rewritten. These are administrative rules, the rules of and written by an agency in the executive branch so they don't go through the legislative branch. They are not hard to change.


You are free to imagine whatever you want. Since our INM office personnel were trained and instructed to reduce the income requirements by 1/2 from Nov. 9, 2012, there is no evidence to support your beliefs.

Since a Rentista no Lucrativa is by definition a rentier (as described by Ric and I above), if an existing permit holder applies for Residente Temporal, then they may not be required to show documents proving that they have sufficient income. As Rolly has consistently described in several past posts, the individual agents handling your case can and do require documents on some renewal years, and then not ask for any on others.

Specifically, our office is telling applicants that they do not have to bring bank statements on their first visit to INM, but they may be required to bring them in on the 2'nd or 3'rd cita of that year's process. After that, it is all up to the discretion of the INM agent handling your application.

For newbies to the processes, it is often best to not tell a lot of personal stories, to not make waves, and just go with the flow. State exactly what you want, and no more. Ask as few questions as possible, and do what they ask. If something seems screwy, politely ask for clarifications, and avoid being confrontational. 99% of the applications at our INM office go very smoothly, and the ones that have problems seem to be the people who push and insist that they know better.

Last year, I watched one fellow with nominal Spanish skills get very nervous, start complaining about how something was not fair, and then he started getting really pushy about his 2 University student children's status - where they were FM2 dependents under his FM2. The INM personnel pointed out that the kids going to school back in the USA were out of the country too long to meet FM2 requirements. He argued back that he had gotten the same approvals last year. The result: They cancelled both his kids permits, forced him to go to the border (with a special letter from INM) within a week, and when he protested, they said that he should calm down, or they would cancel his permit too.

So, it's best to remain calm, don't imagine or make up excuses about why INM is or is not doing things, and go with the flow - vs. trying to bend their processes to our will.
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Nov 21, 2012, 6:19 PM)


Axixic


Nov 21, 2012, 3:44 PM

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I was asking for someone else who has that type of FM3. Mine is a regular FM3.


sparks


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What about Rentista no Lucrativas? Do they need to show income at renewal?

I imagine there has been such an uproar at INM over the new rules that DF is relaxing the rules such as giving back the half of income requirement for property ownership and giving renewals with no financials.


That first part has been answered a hundred times. Are you confused on terms?

My question is with Ejido property .... is my Carta de Poder enough to show I own/control the house. (GRIN ... as I know it's no good - for this at least)

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sparks


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I was asking for someone else who has that type of FM3. Mine is a regular FM3.


Rentista no Lucrativas is a regular fm3

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Axixic


Nov 21, 2012, 5:34 PM

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The person who has one, first had a Lucrativas and then had to work very hard to get it changed to a no Lucrativas which is supposed to mean no pension and not working but receives money from investments. Supposedly it is treated differently than the regular rentista because of no pension.


YucaLandia


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The person who has one, first had a Lucrativas and then had to work very hard to get it changed to a no Lucrativas which is supposed to mean no pension and not working but receives money from investments. Supposedly it is treated differently than the regular rentista because of no pension.


Do you have any citations or references for these claims, or is this something you heard through the grapevine?

It helps a lot to read the actual rules, Lineamientos, Reglamento, and Law (or at least detailed first-person reports) to keep discussions based in fact. Speculation sure is fun, but it can be a poor substitute for facts and actual policies.
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mazbook1


Nov 21, 2012, 9:15 PM

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Note that the person you are referring to DID NOT have the required 4 years of residency on his FM2, so he is being treated as a new applicant (although not having to return to his country of origin) for the Residente Permanente. The folks that have gone automatically from their FM2 to Residente Permanente, without financials, all had at least 4 years residency on the FM2.


Axixic


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Speculation? You reference a "no lucrativas" on your site:

"Here’s one more perspective on the issue: I spoke with a Merida INM supervisor today about these specific issues, and she made a phone call to her manager to check on her understandings. She then said that:
1. INM would issue this person a “No Inmigrante Visitante Otros – No Lucrativa” – “FM3″ – visa/permit.
2. No taxes are owed to Mexico.
3. The expat should not register with Hacienda."

The person I know who has one made several trips to INM getting the previous FM3 lucrativa changed to a no lucrativa. I drove.

How can it be speculation that a person has an FM3 no lucrativa? Speculation that there is such a thing? Speculation that someone has one? Speculation that MX offers one? Speculation that you cannot give a short answer?


Axixic


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Will you please cite the income discount for property ownership in the new rules? Many homeowners are upset that they can't qualify financially under the new rules because the previous income discount is not in the new rules.


YucaLandia


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I'm sorry that my comment about speculations was too oblique, causing you to misunderstand. Here is an attempt to explain it in more clear terms. There has been a lot of empty and outright false speculation about INM's motives and the processes surrounding the new rules, and a lot of speculation about what the rules might be, along with speculation about the outcomes.

A few examples of spurious speculations include:

~ " ... Mexico was having a hard enough time getting retirees to move here because of all the bad publicity and now it puts it out of reach financially of most retirees. "

~ " ... Some optimists think the rules will be changed. People hear from others that Mexico isn't like their home countries and the rules will miraculously change. Some think these rules are the pre-rules like a movie trailer for rules.

~ "... When the new administration is in place I expect to see the financial rules to be rewritten. "

~ " ...I imagine there has been such an uproar at INM over the new rules that DF is relaxing the rules such as giving back the half of income requirement for property ownership and giving renewals with no financials.

~ " ... I can renew for a temporal for two years then I have to show financials for a new one. "

~ "... If you are renewing an FM3 rentista during the 4 time renewal, then you don't need financials. ... "

~ "... If it is a rentista lucracado or no lucracado (sp) you must show financials no matter where it is in the 5 year period. "

~ " ... Maybe the new administration will look at it and rescind the rules but that will be too late for some of us. I guess it's either go illegal and not drive or get a 180 day permit "

~ "... It is extremely unfair. One friend told me that it is a human rights issue. Mexico lets us move here and then yanks the rug out from under us. "

~ " ... This will cost Mexicans more money than what INM thinks, if INM has been thinking. More Mexicans will suffer because of this than we will. "

~ " ... If a property has to be worth more than $195,000 to get around the financial requirements, it won't be worth that much for long because people can't sell their houses to a smaller market and prices will drop like a rock. "

~ "... Those without $2000-$2400 a month in unencumbered income or who don't have $100,000 in the bank and have a house worth less than $195,000 US will have to leave or go to the border every 6 months for a temporary visa ..."

~ " ... (Lakeside area or any other expat community) will become ghost towns. "

~ " ... I'm sure the majority of expats here will not financially qualify. "

~ " ... Whoever came up with these insane financial requirements needs to be fired. "

~ " ... If the person qualifies to become permante with financial or point system, he doesn't need temporal. There is no reason to list temporal if it is not FM3/2. "

~ " ... This is exactly why people don't get what they want because they assume nothing can be done and sit back and take it, instead of fighting back. "

~ " ... Who knows, this could be a ploy by Mexico to force the U.S. into some concessions Mexico wants or the work of MX bureaucrats who hate foreigners. "

~ " ... Obviously someone is using us as pawns or wants most of us out of here. "

~ " ... This is a nightmare for thousands of expats, many of them ill and elderly. "

~ " ... Since they don't qualify for the new temporal and if they need to sell their homes, they are screwed. "

~ " ... The majority of the top 50% receiving SS will not qualify on the income requirement. "

~ " ... the new rules do not effect (Canadians) because most Canadians are 180 day snow birds. "

~ " ... Maybe INM is trying to grandfather in the people who have lived here for years but they still haven't figured out a clear path to do that. "

~ " ... These guys are just pathetic, clueless, worthless individuals. "

~ " ... Obviously you don't live here. I don't know why you are making assumptions that are not close to being true. "

~ " ... There are all kinds of reasons someone might not be as affluent as you through no fault of his own. Maybe God doesn't like them as well. "

~ " ... In a heavy expat populated area like Lake Chapala it will ruin the economy."

~ " ... The bureaucrats who raised the income requirements did so without a logical reason and the new financial requirements violate the new law. "

~ " ... Someone thinks too many people were getting approved who didn't qualify. Maybe a handful did but it didn't harm Mexico. "

~ " ...We think the new rules were written for our detriment, not our benefit. "

~ " ... I think raising the income requirements is typical bureaucratic stupidity. "

~ " ... They are clueless about how much it takes to live in Mexico (our standards), "

~ " ... Most Americans still think Mexico is a Third World country filled with criminals and Mexicans ride burros everywhere. "

~ " ... they don't understand how this will injure Mexico. "

~ " ... Mexico decided to pull the rug out from under us. "

~ " ... they are too lazy or too stupid to punish the right people. "

~ " ... If Mexico doesn't want most of us, we can move. "

~ " ... There is no reason for most people who can afford to live anywhere to live in Mexico. "


Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

I just find that excessive speculation often takes on a life of its own, and some people wind up remembering the suppositions as if they were fact.
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lol Yuca!
I apologize for posting on the "Recent Experiences" topic without anything personal to contribute, but I just had to give you an Atta-Boy for being the voice of reason in a time of uncertainty. Two of the most important things I've learned from my adopted culture are not to take myself too seriously and, "Que sera, sera" can become a philosophy to live by, as well as a Doris Day song.
If you're ever out Vallarta way, I'd be honored to buy you a beer.


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El Gato


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This morning we went to the Puerto Penasco, Sonora, INM office to renew my DH's FM2 (2nd renewal) - only staff was in the office & they were delighted to help - turns out DH was 1st person to come in that was eligible for the point system for the Permanent Residency so they were eager to practice on him. They had to redo the online form I had done in Oct. (It was too early for him to renew then) and changed the letter. I had a bank statement from US translated into Spanish plus the original (all they had wanted previously) - this time they wanted at least past 3 or 4 months - When we mentioned we also had a Bancomer account, which was next door, they had me go and get the past 4 months statements. We were then good to go on that. I had brought in our SS benefit statements for 2012 and had done a translation of the benefit portion. They didn't want mine - just DH's but they wanted it stamped that it was a good translation. We thought we were being sent to City Hall and after being helped by a lot of wonderful people, and running into a friend, they figured we were in the wrong place. It was a lady behind City Hall that did translations and would also confirm your translation with a stamp. Fortunately our translation passed! Got stamped and back to INM office. Allen took the stamped paperwork and added it to DH's file, along with pictures, old FM2 card, bank statements and letter and computer form.

We were then told that Allen would either call or email if anything else was needed (Staff kept referring to the book). If all goes well DH will get to jump from a 2nd year FM2 to Permanent Residency in one easy leap. We were charged a 1,000 peso filing fee and told that when we came back we would pay the 3,815.00 pesos. Rolly, you were correct on the amount.

In October I will go through the whole thing - but we, as well as staff, should know a whole lot more - at least I hope what I learned today will help then lol.

One thing about our INM office - they are all wonderful, including the guard. One couldn't ask for more helpful or friendly people. They make doing a chore a fun trip.

I'll update when we hear more.
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Judy in Ags


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Rolly, what was the cost for a three-year renewal?


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$3,130 for a single year
$4,690 for two years
$5,940 for three years
$7,040 for four years


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Judy in Ags


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Thanks, Rolly,

I had seen those figures earlier, but couldn't put my finger on them.


Axixic


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You do spend an inordinate time trying to insult me. It had to take hours digging up stuff. I never had it done to me in the 7th grade but it does remind me of the 7th grade boys who ganged up on the shyer kids. Today they call it bullying. I call it little men with little di*ks trying to be important. How about I post the crazy PMs you sent me? Would you like that little man?


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You do spend an inordinate time trying to insult me. It had to take hours digging up stuff. I never had it done to me in the 7th grade but it does remind me of the 7th grade boys who ganged up on the shyer kids. Today they call it bullying. I call it little men with little di*ks trying to be important. How about I post the crazy PMs you sent me? Would you like that little man?


That particular poster has a history of sending very weird and nasty PMs to those that disagree with his fabrications. Very strange fellow, as you now know.


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You do spend an inordinate time trying to insult me. It had to take hours digging up stuff.

Given all the material you provide, it could be done in no time, with or without "science training". Get a grip, please, and stop making a total fool of yourself. You're walking a very fine line between mildly amusing and extremely annoying, not to mention doing a disservice to readers in need of actual information. All IMO, of course. Crazy

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I find your disagreement speculation. How do you I am wrong about anything except that you are speculating.



To keep this thread's information accurate - summarizing how previously questioned things are working at INM offices:
~ INM offices across Mexico are reducing income requirements by 1/2 for property owners. Since many of these same offices did not previously allow the 1/2-off reduction, the income requirements for many many expats are now LOWER under the new Law. These reductions seem to be nationwide policy, but we have not yet heard from all INM regional offices, so please check with your local INM offices for their current policies.

~ INM offices across Mexico are counting prior completed years on existing FM2 and FM3 permits as credits to meeting the 4 year prior residency requirement to qualify for Residente Permanente.

~ The new rules reduce the costs of getting permanent residency in Mexico, by reducing average temporary residencies to just 4 years. This saves both years of time and money for many expats in Mexico, plus saving a year for new Temporary Resident applicants.

~ The new rules allow No Inmigrante Familiar (FM2-spouses) permit holders to qualify for Permanent Residency in just 2 years, removing 3 years of prior required costs and time for many expats who plan to happily live here with their Mexi-familias the rest of their lives.

~ The new rules continue to allow many expat residents to provide no bank statements when they renew their INM permits. Some still may be required to show documents, others not. This is the SAME POLICY as in the past.

~ The new rules have been administered consistently by most INM offices, with most INM employees being properly trained, and others are checking the new rule book when they have doubts. This shows that the INM is not changing the rules mid-stream to bend to a few gringo complaints, because they are following the rules as published before Nov. 9, 2011.

~ The new rules allow expat residents to pay for up to 4 years of their Temporary Residency Cards, which means many expats can avoid three annual extra trips to INM by paying up front - plus the changes help the expats who travel outside of Mexico, so they no longer have to make annual trips back to Mexico, during a narrow window, just to renew their permits.

~ Some expats can qualify for Residente Permanente by simply showing sufficient pension income.

~ Some expats now qualify for residency based solely on having a large enough annual average monthly balance in a retirement account, investment account, or bank account.

~ The current $95,000 USD avg monthly balance amount is actually less than half of what the US Census says that 40% of retirees have in savings - which means 40% of US retirees automatically qualify for Mexican residency - making it easier to visit or live in Mexico.

~ The new rules have many many legal protections for foreigners that did not previously exist, with special focus on keeping families together.

Most of the changes really do significantly benefit most expats who live here: Reduced overall costs, Reduced effort, Reduced trips to the INM offices, Shortened times to becoming a Permanent Resident, Grandfathering in time spent on existing visas, Creating new categories that allow residency to many many US and Canadian expats, etc.

Since the vast majority of the changes significantly benefit both current expat residents and benefit future new residents, then all the things said about how the Mexican Gob. supposedly hates expats living here and wants to drive them out, simply are not born out by the facts.

I hope that these summaries of how the INM offices are actually acting, are helpful.

Hope everyone had a fine Thanksgiving,
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AlanMexicali


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I was told that I will be getting temporary resident status being married for over 2 years to my Mexican national wife here in Mexico and there are now no out of the country travel restrictions on this status.They said it will take about 3 weeks to process. After 2 years I can go to permanent resident status. Both do not need financial statements. Alan


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- turns out DH was 1st person to come in that was eligible for the point system for the Permanent Residency so they were eager to practice on him.

El Gato, are you saying that they gave you the criteria for the points system, or are you referring to the financial requirements? Supposedly the points system was going to be based on education, employment skills and experience, knowledge of Spanish, and so on, but I hadn't seen an announcement that it had been finalized. Good report, BTW, thank you!

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~ The current $95,000 USD avg monthly balance amount is actually less than half of what the US Census says that 40% of retirees have in savings - which means 40% of US retirees automatically qualify for Mexican residency - making it easier to visit or live in Mexico.


A quick Google check of "average retirement savings" showed that the average retiree 65 and older(the first search return said this) has an average $56,000. $190,000 might mean the value of home equity, pensions, etc thrown in. But examining it closer, wouldn't it be fair to say that of those "likely" to retire to Mexico, isn't more likely that those with limited income such as only having a Social Security check will consider living in Mexico? I'm sure there are well off expats who love Mexico but they don't have to worry about qualifying. And it's great that many here will get grandfathered in or don't need as much income as they own a home, but how many future expats seeking economic relief are going to be in a position to buy a home? There may be some adjusting by the INM to accommodate current expats, but looks like if requirements are adhered to future expats will need to be better off financially to enjoy residency.


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They apparently utilized the point system as we had only lived here since 2010, when we first got out FM2. They were going to switch me but since I had just renewed, and didn't have my paperwork with, figured I'd wait until next year.

So under the new point system DH got to advance to permanent residency as being retired and on social security. Of course the process has just started and he doesn't have his card in hand yet.

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~ The current $95,000 USD avg monthly balance amount is actually less than half of what the US Census says that 40% of retirees have in savings - which means 40% of US retirees automatically qualify for Mexican residency - making it easier to visit or live in Mexico.


A quick Google check of "average retirement savings" showed that the average retiree 65 and older(the first search return said this) has an average $56,000. $190,000 might mean the value of home equity, pensions, etc thrown in. But examining it closer, wouldn't it be fair to say that of those "likely" to retire to Mexico, isn't more likely that those with limited income such as only having a Social Security check will consider living in Mexico? I'm sure there are well off expats who love Mexico but they don't have to worry about qualifying. And it's great that many here will get grandfathered in or don't need as much income as they own a home, but how many future expats seeking economic relief are going to be in a position to buy a home? There may be some adjusting by the INM to accommodate current expats, but looks like if requirements are adhered to future expats will need to be better off financially to enjoy residency.


The majority of homes owned by expats in Mexico are not in the $200,000 USD range. Most are under $100,000 so that tells us the wealthier are not entering Mexico at the rate of the lower income foreigners. Many who own the higher priced homes don't live here year round. I know one man who has 5 houses in Michigan, a couple of houses in Europe and I think some others I've forgotten about. He doesn't care what Mexico does and only visits for a few weeks once a year.

Economically it should be in Mexico's interest to attract the lower income expats because there are more of them and more money will be spent by them. Even a $1200 a month social security check is twice what an average school teacher or police officer earns, so it must not cost that much to live in Mexico.

Another explanation of U.S. retiree wealth:

http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/articles/2012/07/23/retiree-net-worth-declines

"While the typical household headed by someone age 65 or older had a net worth of $170,128 in 2010, most of that wealth is in the form of home equity. "The run-up in housing values created a lot of wealth, but then the housing market decline took away a lot of that wealth," says Gottschalck. "When you take away home equity out of the net worth, wealth has remained relatively constant." If home equity is excluded from the calculation, the median senior-citizen household had a net worth of just $28,518 in 2010, down from $31,575 in 2005."


YucaLandia


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Fun topic.
Google searches yield interesting results based on Google's highly secret algorithms, with the top entries being based on some tricks - or on commonly trod routes. As an alternative, check out the US Census Bureau official statistics for the top 2 ventiles of Americans between the ages of 55-64 - where 40% of the future US retirement population are 100 million fairly affluent Baby Boomers who had really good earning years in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's - 2008. There is also a description of the predictable demographic and economic consequences - radical changes - coming over the next 18 years, in Yucatan Living's article on how this all affects Mexico's Expat Future, cited below.

The US census figures show a 2-faced Janus-like picture of future American retirees - where the net wealth for the top 40% of upcoming retirees is very very different from the bottom 40%.

The top 40% of 2014 - 2025 eligible retirees average roughly $410,000 in savings per household.

The top 40% of 2014 - 2025 eligible retirees average roughly $440,000 in real estate equity per household.

Is it reasonable to believe that out of 25 million total eligible retirees, the estimated 10 million affluent, newly-eligible retirees each year, with over $800,000 in net worth each, will be sitting at home watching TV or bagging groceries to help out with the bills? ... Many of these 10 million a year of fairly affluent new retirees will consider spending money in Mexico to escape the cold, visit here for months, and some will buy homes here.

All of this makes this post salient to the discussion of INM's income effects on current and future expat communities in Mexico.


Should we expect the top 40% with over $800,000 in assets per household will ... just sit at home, or will keep working ... as a show of solidarity for the bottom 40%?

Will the top 40% feel bad for the bottom 40%?

Will the top 40%'ers tough out the frigid winters, and not take vacations, because people on the other side of town are having a tough time?

I personally doubt it.

Locally, we have already seen strong growth in the numbers of fairly ordinary non-affluent expats who have already retired to Merida and the Yucatan beach area.

10 million new retirees every year between 2014 and 2025 with an average of $840,000 in net worth may just spend some of it in Mexico. (Particularly, since over $400,000 of it is in spendable, liquid, savings. )

Clearly, more than a handfull of 10 million Americans retiring every year, each sitting on $400,000 available to spend as cash, will be coming to Mexico.


See http://www.yucatanliving.com/...tate-predictions.htm and http://www.cepr.net/...r-wealth-2009-02.pdf and http://books.google.com.mx/...55-64%29&f=false for more details.
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Axixic


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http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/19/news/economy/net-worth-housing/index.htm



http://business.time.com/2012/06/20/our-net-worth-is-down-39-how-worried-should-we-be/



La Isla


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They apparently utilized the point system as we had only lived here since 2010, when we first got out FM2. They were going to switch me but since I had just renewed, and didn't have my paperwork with, figured I'd wait until next year.

So under the new point system DH got to advance to permanent residency as being retired and on social security. Of course the process has just started and he doesn't have his card in hand yet.

Thank you for your kind comment.


This talk of "point system" is confusing. Everything published so far in the new rules about the new point system only outlines general categories such as knowledge of Spanish, special skills needed in Mexico, etc. and notes that the details will be published later. I wonder what "point system" the INM people in El Gato's case used.


frito

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Sorry, you are asking me to believe there are over 110,000,000 out of 300,000,000 with assets over $800,000. This may have been the case with highly inflated real estate values in 2008 before the crash but between the crash and so many higher paid older workers being laid off it sounds wildly optimistic. Not to mention if people are doing that well they most likely will be remaining in communities where they've built a life or retire to the Sun Belt. Most likely people looking for an affordable retirement won't have enough income to meet the new requirements unless they have a traditional pension and Social Security remains solvent.


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Axixic


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Their houses are worth that much until they try to sell.

People with homes worth that much don't move to Mexico. If they move out of the U.S., and why would they, there are countries that offer more.


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You're making some really grand blanket statements there. There are a lot of reasons that people with that kind of savings and income would move to Mexico. Weather, culture, to keep the brain young learning a new language, travel opportunities, less stress... I really am surprised that you seem to think the only reason to move here is financial. I don't know anyone here in Merida that would list that as the first reason that they moved here.

I've spent some time in Ajijic visiting friends in the past and I didn't get the impression from them that money was the driving force in their move so I'm doubtful that it is regional.

If you wanted to live cheaply in reasonable weather, there are places in the US that would qualify, the Salton Sea in Calif comes to mind and several areas of the south and Florida. What's lacking in those areas? Well, culture for one thing, music, art, food. It's not all about the money for everyone.


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Folks, can we get back to the subject of this thread: Recent experiences in INM and Consulate office
If you want to continue discussing the solvency of expats or potential expats, start a new thread.

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frito

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You're making some really grand blanket statements there. There are a lot of reasons that people with that kind of savings and income would move to Mexico. Weather, culture, to keep the brain young learning a new language, travel opportunities, less stress... I really am surprised that you seem to think the only reason to move here is financial. I don't know anyone here in Merida that would list that as the first reason that they moved here.

I've spent some time in Ajijic visiting friends in the past and I didn't get the impression from them that money was the driving force in their move so I'm doubtful that it is regional.

If you wanted to live cheaply in reasonable weather, there are places in the US that would qualify, the Salton Sea in Calif comes to mind and several areas of the south and Florida. What's lacking in those areas? Well, culture for one thing, music, art, food. It's not all about the money for everyone.


But now before we can enjoy all that Mexico offers we have to have enough income to satisfy requirements. A real concern for those of us who thought we had enough and now don't. And now I'm going to respect Rolly's wishes and say no more about it.


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Just when I thought Manzanillo had it's act together this happened yesterday. People have been asked for no proof, six months and now a year



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We went today to renew our FM3. We arrived at approximately 9:30 and were given number 10. They were on number 6 so the wait was not long until it was our turn. We hadn't filled out anything ahead of time but that was not any problem. They wanted one year of bank statements. I only had 6 months with me so we provided that and they said to e-mail the remaining 6 months to them. The officer did look over the statements.


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Sparks: Do you know whether they were using average balance or pension income? It´s 6 months for pension income and 12 months of showing an average bank balance (according to the rules as I understand them)


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Also, while they said their purpose in going to INM was to "renew", they didn't mention how many years were on their FM3s, or whether INM had them apply for Temporal or Permanente, since they hadn't filled out the application themselves. The good news is that the Manzanillo office seems to be accepting electronic statements, at least in part, since they were asked to supply the other six months via email.

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The other part of the post I didn't include. I assume monthly income
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Because this was our first renewal, we were able to apply for a card that will be valid for 3 more years. We went to the bank and paid our fee ($5,900 for 3 years) and were finished in just over an hour. It is now a 3 trip process though. Today we applied, then they will e-mail us in about 10 days and we go back for fingerprinting. Then they send that away and we make a third trip in to pick up the finished product

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sparks, That would appear to be an application, without the 4 years of residence requirement, for Residente Permanente. It's treated similarly to any first-time application for Residente Permananente, with the exception of not having to return to your home country to do the first step at a Mexican consulate or embassy. Folks who apply for Residente Permanente, without the 4 years residence requirement as proven by an FM3 or FM2, can only get it as a 4 year card instead of an indefinite, i.e., permanent card not needing any renewals. As far as I've heard so far, folks with an FM3 card showing proroga 3 or 4 or an FM2 showing refrendo 3 or 4, are being automatically offered a Residente Permanente status without new financials and without any time limit on the card.


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La Isla


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As far as I've heard so far, folks with an FM3 card showing proroga 3 or 4 or an FM2 showing refrendo 3 or 4, are being automatically offered a Residente Permanente status without new financials and without any time limit on the card.


Have you heard of anyone in the FM3 lucrativa category with 4 prórrogas who was granted residente permanente status?


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No, I haven't yet heard of anyone who specifically said they had an FM3 actividades lucrativas who renewed directly to the new Residente Permanente, but all you had to show (under the old system) to renew an FM3 > FM2 of that category was your most current paid tax return to prove that you were up-to-date with Hacienda and that your FM3 had 4 prorogas (5 years in residence in México), so I don't feel that it will be appreciably more onerous than before. Your cost for the new Resident Permanente WILL be considerably higher, $1000 MXN for the first step and around $3800 MXN for the second (this is about the same as SRE charges to apply for citizenship). Then you have to wait up to a month for all to go to the Mexico City office (since you're IN Mexico City, it should be less than a month) to get the approval and the new card. BUT those charges are for a PERMANENT card that never has to be renewed, similar to the old inmigrado status!


La Isla


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No, I haven't yet heard of anyone who specifically said they had an FM3 actividades lucrativas who renewed directly to the new Residente Permanente, but all you had to show (under the old system) to renew an FM3 > FM2 of that category was your most current paid tax return to prove that you were up-to-date with Hacienda and that your FM3 had 4 prorogas (5 years in residence in México), so I don't feel that it will be appreciably more onerous than before. Your cost for the new Resident Permanente WILL be considerably higher, $1000 MXN for the first step and around $3800 MXN for the second (this is about the same as SRE charges to apply for citizenship). Then you have to wait up to a month for all to go to the Mexico City office (since you're IN Mexico City, it should be less than a month) to get the approval and the new card. BUT those charges are for a PERMANENT card that never has to be renewed, similar to the old inmigrado status!


I pay taxes every month and keep my records in good order, so that's not a problem. My only concern is that I don't earn that much from the teaching and other work that I do here. In the past, that was never an issue, but I wonder if they could start requiring some sort of minimum monthly income from people on lucrativa free-lance visas. I know the new fees for residente permanente have gone up quite a bit, but they will be worth paying if they get me a card that never has to be renewed!


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but they will be worth paying if they get me a card that never has to be renewed!
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Its funny, everyone says that, Inmigrados/ residentes permanentes don't need to renew their immigration document or deal with INM ever again but as we all know that is only true until they change the law or modify the circular or lineamientos yet again ...

People that had the old Inimgrado status in the old school FM booklets had to go to INM and get the new Inmigrado card a couple of years ago and now they will have to go and get the new Residente Permanente cards this year. Granted the application process might be a bit easier but it still involves going to the office, waiting in line, getting picture and applications done and going back to wait in line again and picking up the new card...


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La Isla, I was on a FM3 atividades lucrativa - independent business status for many years before I got my citizenship, and they never wanted anything to do with my financial status (which would only have qualified me for rentista AFTER the 50% discount for owning my own home here) or the actual earnings from my business, and I know that the worry factor is troublesome, but iNo le preocupe!, it will all come out to the good by the time you need to do it next spring.


La Isla


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La Isla, I was on a FM3 atividades lucrativa - independent business status for many years before I got my citizenship, and they never wanted anything to do with my financial status (which would only have qualified me for rentista AFTER the 50% discount for owning my own home here) or the actual earnings from my business, and I know that the worry factor is troublesome, but iNo le preocupe!, it will all come out to the good by the time you need to do it next spring.


When I go to INM for my prórrogas, I usually ask if they want information about my pensions (which is what I really live on) and they're never interested. Every year I have to write a short letter (a note, really) explaining what lucrative activities I´ll be engaged in and how much I expect to earn from them each month. One year I put down $1000 MN a month, and that was fine with them!

Mazbook, I really appreciate your comforting words! I've pretty much given up on worrying about all of this and will focus on enjoying the upcoming holidays and the fine weather we've been having in Mexico City.


YucaLandia


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There is news out of SMA INM that INM will be shifting to now consider total time spent on our INM permits, when we apply for Permanent Resident. This reliable source (a professional facilitator who works with gringos and INM), says that the previous INM permits have to be continuous, with no break between visas/permits, ... . We are told this is a national change.
SMA is telling their Residente Permanente applicants that these terms are in place for them right now.

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See? ;] That's what I was hoping for all along... Viva Mexico!


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Got a new status on the INM SEGUIMIENTO DE TRÁMITE web site. The status was "registered", then "assigned" and "classified" and today it was "transferred". I wonder where?

El trámite ha sido trasladado

I applied for permanente on November 16.


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I found this on the SMA Yahoo group. Talk about confusion!!! I had to grin. Someone did suggest trying a Mexican Consulate

YOU CANNOT GET A NEW TEMPORARY RESIDENT VISA IN MEXICO IN YEAR #5 WITH AN FM3.
YOU MUST START THE PROCESS AT A US CONSULATE. There is absolutely no wiggle room!!!!!!

In my case the US Consulate in Boston was useless. I went there but they didn't know what to do and sent me home with the assurance that I could enter Mexico with an expired FM3 . There is a grace period of either 30 - 60 days. However,
they knew nothing about the temporary resident visa, what it was or how to get one. It was suggested that I find another Consulate but I have no assurance another Consulate would be helpful.

We are being forced to return to the 180 day tourist visa and all it implies.

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i got my 1st FM3 @the mexican consulate in boston. across from the commons in back bay.


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That was then, this is now.


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i was living there. but is it insane to make anyone return for that under any circumstances. next week mark my words, there will be even newer "regulations" remember the new people come in.


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Nearly all of the employees you deal with at INM are "civil service" employees whose jobs don't depend on the President of México's politics. There will NOT be some wholesale turnover at the INM offices, and probably not even in the one or two jobs that are political appointees, for months after the inauguration of Peña Nieto. I was here during the switchover from PRI to PAN 12 years ago and it was almost a year before the top spot here in the Mazatlán office changed hands. When my 5 years on the first FM3 booklet was up, I was called in for an interview with the new delegado, but it was nominal and didn't hold up my getting my new booklet.


YucaLandia


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Immigration Experts and Expats from San Miguel Allende ( SMA ) submitted a block of questions to their local INM office about the new INM rules. Yucalandia has published the list of the questions and answers, as provided by the much honored & helpful reader/contributor John Garvin.

See http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...-allende-inm-office/ for details.
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Rolly


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I am confused. This SMA list seems to be identical to the one Masbook posted from the Mazatlán INM office.

Rolly Pirate


morgaine7


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The San Miguel de Allende Q & A report seems identical in both questions and responses to the one posted yesterday for Mazatlán (on the Q & A thread). How did that happen … were the organizers collaborating? Just curious.

Kate


fugawibill

Nov 29, 2012, 2:33 PM

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There were over 650 people at the Mazatlan forum this morning. We had to lock the doors, and many unhappy ones were turned away due to capacity. The Q & A are identical, to prevent some INM offices from "marching to a different drummer".


La Isla


Nov 29, 2012, 2:35 PM

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There were over 650 people at the Mazatlan forum this morning. We had to lock the doors, and many unhappy ones were turned away due to capacity. The Q & A are identical, to prevent some INM offices from "marching to a different drummer".


As if that will do much good ...


Aaron+

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Nearly all of the employees you deal with at INM are "civil service" employees whose jobs don't depend on the President of México's politics. There will NOT be some wholesale turnover at the INM offices, and probably not even in the one or two jobs that are political appointees, for months after the inauguration of Peña Nieto.


What you write may well be the general case. Here in the Yucatán, Milenio reported on the severance pay the outgoing PANisto delegado Rosel will receive. The inference from the article was that he was leaving INM.

On the other hand, the new administration may well take a second look at the law, regs, and enforcement notes, covering Immigration, in the coming months. Whatever, I am optimistic that any change will not put the existing expats at risk.


YucaLandia


Nov 29, 2012, 3:44 PM

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Morgaine,
My error. We received the list of Q and A from acquaintances from SMA, so, I mistakenly assumed that the list came from SMA. It clearly comes from Mazatllan.

Did anyone else notice how much key information was missing from the Mazatlan power point presentations - making them a potentially-poor/incomplete source of INM information? e.g. No mentions of Average Annual Account Balances helping Residents qualify, nothing about spouses or family members special requisitos, no mention of owning a qualifying business, no mention of owning shares in a Mexican company, etc etc.
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Microvolt

Nov 30, 2012, 10:40 PM

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A summary of my experience in the San Luis Potosi immigration office over the last 2½ weeks:


I have had a FM3 with actividades lucrativas and it says prorroga 4. It expired this 13th of November. Because I usually do things at the last minute and because I wasn’t aware of how the new system was going to work, I ended up going for the prorroga on Friday November 9th. It was good to go under the new rules, but going on the first day meant there was still confusion and a lack of the forms needed.
The supervisor took a look at my card, which says “No Inmigrante - Cargo de confianza”, (before the change to the cards, I had a FM3 Lucrativo booklet), and told the person attending me that because it had number 4, I could apply for Residente Permanente. Because the new categories were unclear to me, and because they said I would have to return on Monday again anyway to pay because they didn’t have the payment forms yet, I decided to wait and do everything the following Tuesday.


On November 13, Tuesday, I gave them the following:
  • · Internet immigration form (I didn’t fill in the information from scratch, I just plugged in the NUE number from the front on my visa and it automatically fills in the fields with text or asterisks)
  • · Anexo 3 Formato Basico (I filled it out by hand using a photocopy the immigration office had given me on Nov 9)
  • · Copy of the first page of last year’s Tax form receipt (Acuse de Recibo -Declaration Annual)
  • · Copy of the first page of my passport
  • · Letter requesting the change to Residente Permanent (“cambio de condición de residente temporal a residente permanente”), and that says I have been doing the work activities that my visa authorizes.
  • · 3 photos (1 profile and 2 facing)
  • · I also gave them some extra documents, like a, copy of my RFC, and a recommendation letter signed by someone I work with, and they accepted them, but they had not requested them beforehand.

They gave me the bank form and I made the 2 payments that same day, November 13, $1,000 and $3,815 pesos; but the bad news was they still didn’t have the new version of a form which you sign and give fingerprints. They told me that it should be there on Thursday or Friday (in 2 days). However, because of a busy schedule, and because they had given me a receipt of my application (Comprobante de Registro de Solicitud), I didn’t go back until the 28 of November.

On the 28th I was able to sign and leave fingerprints, and I thought the application would then start to be processed, but they gave me a sheet with the green letterhead signed by the delegado that says it authorizes the permanent resident status (“authorize su cambio de condicion a residente permanente”). And they told me that by December 3 or 4 the card should be ready. So I asked if that was it, and I was already approved, and they said yes.
Based on different forum comments I had been thinking that things will now be processed more in Mexico City, but based on my experience, I am not so sure, and it doesn’t coincide with the fact that the date on my authorization says November 15, only 2 days after I submitted the application.

I thought this would be useful, especially to La Isla, and anyone in the Lucrativa categories. I don’t know what happens if the prorroga is number 2 or 3. Also, from what I saw they don’t seem too focused on extensive financial documentation, at least for lucrativos.


AlanMexicali


Dec 3, 2012, 6:41 AM

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Has anyone actually gotten their tarjetas/visas from their INM office even though it was approved? I mean new applications not renewals. I am still waiting. Alan


bronco

Dec 3, 2012, 3:34 PM

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 in your city, are they asking for financials for an expired card? to change from temp to PR?


Dreamer Blue

Dec 5, 2012, 7:26 AM

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Just to add to the list of recent experiences. My first-time application for No Immigrante started in Vancouver in late October when I visited the Mexican Consulate there. They required a completed application form, a passport valid for more than a year and a letter from my bank showing I had the required amount of monthly income. They took my photo and fingerprints (electronic pad) and two hours later I had a large Mexican Visa (No Immigrante) stamped in my passport and a printed letter of receipt of payment.
Move on to my arrival at the border at Nogales. They looked at my passport stamp and gave me a Tourist Visa (no charge) valid for 30 days and I paid the fee for my car at Banerjito where they gave me a piece of paper, printed in both spanish and english, saying that I had to transfer the vehicle from my tourist Visa to my new No Inmigrante visa as soon as I had it.
Move to Chapale and I took in my completed Tramite (downloaded from the internet) and they gave me a paper with my number and password on it so I could check its progress on the INM website. I had to wait almost five weeks till the website told me it was ready but then I went to the Chapala office with my photos, they printed out my card on the old printer, added my photos with a glue stick, took all my fingerprints on one form, laminated the paper and cut it to size and I was out of there in less than ten minutes.


Axixic


Dec 5, 2012, 7:56 AM

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Is it a new Temporal or Permanente or the old FM3 or 2? Since it was printed at the Chapala office I think it must be the old FM which has nothing to do with the problems we see with the new rules.


Dreamer Blue

Dec 5, 2012, 9:05 AM

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New Inmigrante Temporal


La Isla


Dec 5, 2012, 9:29 AM

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New Inmigrante Temporal


The new categories are Residente Temporal and Residente Permanente.


Dreamer Blue

Dec 5, 2012, 9:37 AM

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Okay.


Rolly


Dec 5, 2012, 9:43 AM

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Dreamer, please look at your card and tell us exactly what it says.
I'm betting it says No Inmigrante.

Rolly Pirate


viktoremski


Dec 5, 2012, 12:08 PM

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Since he had started his process before November 9 of this year, I'm sure he's got what we've had for the last couple of years. Not the the old FM*, but not the newest version, either. He has the laminated 70's style No Inmigrante or Inmigrante visa.


Axixic


Dec 5, 2012, 1:46 PM

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It must be because a local office cannot produce a card. The new cards are sent to the local offices.


Rolly


Dec 6, 2012, 12:31 PM

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I received this e-mail today:

I went into The immigration office for Nayarit on Tuesday and ran into a
problem. I have always had 30 days to report to the office with all my
paperwork and I was in plenty of time for that. However, we now only have 5
days to report, in person, at the immigration office after arriving in Mexico.
This change was effective Nov. 9th, I was told. Therefore they have asked me
to start at the beginning to apply for immigration status - with 6 months bank
statements, a full copy of all the pages of the fedicomiso for the bank trust
etc. etc. plus, write a letter of apology and pay a fine. I was very polite
and asked if there was any other way to do this. They said no. I don't think
I will proceed. The only reason I had my immigration status was to drive my
car legally. Has anyone else had this problem, i wonder.

Rolly Pirate


Rob H

Dec 6, 2012, 1:02 PM

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Here's what's happened at the San Felipe (Baja California) INM office when I took in the paperwork today for a couple of renewals.

First card is an existing No Immigrante on Prorroga 2. For that, just needs the "expedicion de tarjeta de residente por renovacion" online form that I had prepared, formato basico, copy of passport details page and the old card. The cover letter I prepared saying nothing has changed wasn't quite right so I was given an example to use and I'll be back tomorrow, along with the payment. Also, the online form needs to have a full list of the attached items in the comments, so I'll redo that. No financial data needed.

The second renewal didn't go so well. That's a No Immigrante on Prorroga 1, following 5 years on a previous FM3 that I wanted to go to Permanent. Apparently the rule here is that having a "regularisation" in the middle of the years (to get a second FM3) disqualifies the previous years (even if on time and no fine). In other words, they say it is impossible for two FM3s to be consecutive. All I can get for that is a two year temporary.

So, has anybody had an application for Permanent accepted (anywhere in Mexico) on the basis of more than 4 years residence, where that is when totalling two consecutive FM3s, rather than an FM3 followed by FM2? (not counting cases where you have the $2.4k/mo pension income, or assets, as those are different routes).

They also hadn't heard of the c.$125k assets for 12 months test as a route to permanent, only monthly pension income. That one at least I can point them to the tramites, but it's the interpretation of "consecutive" for FM3s that seems to be flexible unfortunately.

Rob


ChetumalDreamer

Dec 6, 2012, 5:50 PM

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In the new "Reglamentos", Article 160, it says that if your immigration document expires while you are out of the country you have up to 55 days to return to Mexico. After your return you will have 5 working days ("días habiles") to present your application for renewal, You will not be allowed into Mexico on an immigration document that has been expired for more than 55 days. In other words, don't plan on letting your document expire, returning and paying a fine and continuing with a renewal. Under the old rules you had 60 days to return to Mexico without paying a fine and then 30 days to initiate your renewal.


YucaLandia


Dec 7, 2012, 8:34 AM

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Dreamer, please look at your card and tell us exactly what it says.
I'm betting it says No Inmigrante.


Re Looking at your current INM Card for what it actually says:

Important updates on past FM-3 time counting towards Residente Permanente
On Dec. 7, 2012: John Garver, a highly reliable and regular Yucalandia contributor writes:

…my wife’s client in San Miguel has the word “PERMANENCIA” on the Immigration computer system when checking her client’s history. This word showed up when client reached 5 years and started over on a FM-3. Thanks to the word “PERMANENCIA” they counted total time on current and past FM-3′s after they met with Mireya the Subdirector. . . . "

The rest of the information on the ramifications of your INM card having PERMANENCIA” vs. "REGULARIZATION”

can be read at: http://yucalandia.com/...sidente%20Permanente ...

Click on the " IMPORTANT UPDATES on past FM-3 time counting towards Residente Permanente " item in the Key Mexican Issues and Key Topics section at the beginning of the report.

Special kudos to Dreamer Blue for keeping all of us up to date with very good information about the details of how to visit Mexico and how to get or renew Residency in Mexico.
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sparks


Dec 7, 2012, 3:05 PM

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Took me awhile to find that link and then it turned out to be the same info that was posted here.

I think I'll skip links to your site from now on

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YucaLandia


Dec 9, 2012, 4:30 AM

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Hi Sparks,
OK.

In this instance, the information was listed on Yucalandia first, but I had no way of knowing if Dreamer would post the same information on Mexconnect. The information was significant enough that I entered a link on Mexconnect to his very good findings. A bit later in the day, Dreamer chose to post his same information on Mexconnect.

This happens across web, with good information being listed in several locations - like when Rolly posts things simultaneously on Rollybrook.com and on Mexconnect, with links back to Rollybrook http://rollybrook.com/...o_move_to_mexico.htm.
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sparks


Dec 9, 2012, 2:15 PM

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Sad and strange story from Chapala

A guy is helping his friend to renew after 4 years on an FM3 but they wouldn't let him .... saying he had to apply for permanent. They want letters of proof of where his income is coming from which he can't get right now so they won't accept his permanent application. Chapala sounds like a nightmare. Don't even know if an immigration lawyer can help him at this point

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La Isla


Dec 9, 2012, 3:18 PM

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Sad and strange story from Chapala

A guy is helping his friend to renew after 4 years on an FM3 but they wouldn't let him .... saying he had to apply for permanent. They want letters of proof of where his income is coming from which he can't get right now so they won't accept his permanent application. Chapala sounds like a nightmare. Don't even know if an immigration lawyer can help him at this point


From what I've picked on MexConnect and other expat forums, you are supposed to apply for permanente status after 4 years on FM3/No Inmigrante. In any event, it certainly sounds like a situation that calls for hiring an expert immigration lawyer.


sparks


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I thought your might have the option to go by the old rules for your visa until it runs it's course. Not there

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Rob H

Dec 10, 2012, 9:32 PM

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I submitted a couple of FM3 renewals (changes to temporary resident) in San Felipe, Baja California, in the past few days. Very smooth process (so far!), one less piece of paper than last year.

My blog post about it:
http://www.sanfelipelife.com/...rocess-in-San-Felipe

Rob


grammaz

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Has anyone actually picked up their new cards yet at the Nuevo Vallarta office? My facilitator tells me that the office hasn't even seen the new cards yet as they haven't come from Mexico City. I know lots have completed all the information, paid all their money but does anyone actually have the new card in their hands? And of course they are closing next week for the holidays. I am a little concerned as my Immigrante Rentista expired yesterday, I applied for a renewal for two years (maximum that I can) almost a month ago and I drive a foreign plated car. If I get pulled over I have no valid FM3 and my sticker is expired. Hopefully they will understand. Thanks.


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Has anyone actually picked up their new cards yet at the Nuevo Vallarta office? My facilitator tells me that the office hasn't even seen the new cards yet as they haven't come from Mexico City. I know lots have completed all the information, paid all their money but does anyone actually have the new card in their hands? And of course they are closing next week for the holidays. I am a little concerned as my Immigrante Rentista expired yesterday, I applied for a renewal for two years (maximum that I can) almost a month ago and I drive a foreign plated car. If I get pulled over I have no valid FM3 and my sticker is expired. Hopefully they will understand. Thanks.



As far as I can tell no one has gotten their new Residente Permanente or Residente Temporal cards yet.

I have been approved for the new Residente Temoral visa last month. During the application process here at the INM they took my current FMM tourist visa and kept it. I recieved a form with my NUT [Numero Unico de Tramite] number which has other info. I asked if I could travel inside Mexico now. They said keep this form with you as an immigration document in Mexico and it will allow me to travel with no problems. Alan


sparks


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Just got an email confirmation that Manzanillo wants 6 months of statements for a normal Temporal renewal. Thought that talking to higher-ups I might get a different answer than the office.

This after she sent me a PDF of what I should bring that did not include financials. If they think the new levels of income are in effect now I see why they would want them ... but I hope the old levels are good for now

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John Shrall

Dec 11, 2012, 1:59 PM

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As an update, today the status of my permanente application shows "El trámite ha sido recibido" after having been transferred about 2 weeks ago. While the others list the Ubicación as Chapala, this one shows Delegación Federal en Jalisco. Getting closer I suppose.


Phil in SLP

Dec 12, 2012, 9:15 AM

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I am married to a Mexican and our two sons were born here. Yesterday we presented the documents necessary to move from a visa Inmigrante Rentista to a visa de Residente Permanente. All of our actas are from SLP. I presented my wife's birth certificate and mine. Her Mexican passport plus copy, and my US passport and copy. Then came Mexican birth certificates and Mexican marriage certificate, original plus copies of for my wife and two sons. I wrote a letter asking for a RP on the basis of family ties and did the Formato online. They wanted more photos front and side and the payment at the bank of $1,000 pesos and $3,000 and something. It came to close to $5,000 pesos. Then they said to return on the 18th for fingerprinting and to sign documents. They will send it all to Mexico, DF. I hope that they will tell me when I can return to pick up the new visa, but they gave me a stamped, signed letter that I can show in lieu of a visa until the new one arrives. All of this is going to get mixed up and delayed because of the long, long Christmas vacation. I think that the office will open on Jan. 15th. At that point I will be 5 days past due on my visit to Aduana to verify the new visa and verify that my car with US plates is still mine. Happy holidays!


sparks


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A friend renewed in Manzanillo last week with an income below $1900. He was told that 1900 is only for new applicants. Wonder why they want 6 months of paperwork?

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As far as I can tell no one has gotten their new Residente Permanente or Residente Temporal cards yet.

An agent at La Paz INM told my friend and me today that none of the cards have come in yet (meaning here, not necessarily everywhere).

Kate


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As far as I can tell no one has gotten their new Residente Permanente or Residente Temporal cards yet.

An agent at La Paz INM told my friend and me today that none of the cards have come in yet (meaning here, not necessarily everywhere).

Kate

In San Luis Potosi at the SEGOB [INM] today they told me they do not know when my card will be there. Also they will be closed next Thursday Dec. 20th. until Jan. 5th. Alan


grammaz

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Thanks all for your responses. I guess my facilitator was right. no one has an actual card in their hands. It definitely makes me nervous driving as I have no documentation to prove my car is in the country legally. I'll try and get copies of the application from my facilitator on Monday and at least I will have that.


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Thanks all for your responses. I guess my facilitator was right. no one has an actual card in their hands. It definitely makes me nervous driving as I have no documentation to prove my car is in the country legally. I'll try and get copies of the application from my facilitator on Monday and at least I will have that.


I recieved a form with my NUT [Numero Unico de Tramite] number which has other info. I asked if I could travel inside Mexico now. They said keep this form with you as an immigration document in Mexico and it will allow me to travel with no problems. Alan


grammaz

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Thanks Alan, I will do that.


bronco

Dec 16, 2012, 11:20 AM

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looking for a recent update for chapala: i am @ the end of my 5th year on FM3. time to get permanent resident. i was told they are supposed to grandfather us in, meaning that we are audomatic PR's. financials not necessary. but, 2 facillators told me that chapala will not honor the PR, w/out bank statements, regardless of the law. i see san miquel allende is granting permanent res w/out financials, but chapala will not. any new updates??


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You might email Spencer about what he knows so far. He's not saying anything because nobody is getting their cards back but might know if they have been accepted at the local level

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bronco

Dec 16, 2012, 3:56 PM

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as of a few days ago, he said they require financials, in chapala/guad. (for 5th yr FM3 holders, who must become permanent. i just wondered if someone else was there, maybe w/a different lawyer & had another experiece. i believe i emailed spencer on thursday.


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Thanks Alan, I will do that.



I was at the ISSSTE clinic this morning near the SEGOB [INM] office and popped in to ask: "Any news today?"

The answer was yes. They will be closed for winter vacation Thurs. Dec 20th. and will be open Wed. Jan. 3rd. She said I should come in there on Mon. Jan. 7th. and I should get my card that week, if all goes as planned. This office seems not to update the website I check and who knows how many offices don´t bother either. I can be a pest at times but being retired is to blame. [keeping busy]. By the way if you bring the form with your NUT [Numero Unico de Tramites] , the last one with more info. and show it to the guy who signs you in he gives me an orange number, not a yellow number and the wait time is minutes. Orange at this office indicates you have been approved. Yellow indicates your are still bringing in your documents, asking for info. he said one time when I asked. Alan


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pvgolf

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update: I received an email on Friday, 4 January from the INM office in Puerto Vallarta that the new Residente Permanente cards for my wife and I are in the office and may be picked up anytime this next week. Background: We made our application (as detailed in my other posts) mid November and then followed the online cycle of progress and notifications. We could see that we had been approved 11/28 but by mid December it was clear from a couple of status visits to the INM office that the new cards had not yet been manufactured and would not arrive before holiday closure of the office . Indeed, there was even a notice posted in the PV office to that effect. I emailed the INM office and received a very kind and empathetic response that sometime after the first of the year, cards should be sent to PV and that the dependencies were the manufacturing shop located elsewhere plus scheduled Christmas closure of the office. So, Friday, 4 January I again sent an email and promptly received a response that our 2 cards were in the office and ready for pickup ! We intend to go on Monday to get them. I'll let you know if there is more to the process or if that's our final step.


Microvolt

Jan 8, 2013, 10:07 AM

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Update from San Luis: I have had a lucrative (working) FM3 with number 4 (prorroga) on the back that was up for renewal on Nov 13. I submitted a request for Residente Permanente on Nov 12. It was approved on Nov. 15, and I didn't go complete the last step of signing and the fingerprints until Nov 28. I checked a couple of times in Dec. but the card still hadn't arrived on the 19 of Dec., so I waited until yesterday (Jan 7) and I sent an email; this morning I got this email response:

Buenos Días
Solo para infórmale que su documento migratorio ya se encuentra físicamente con nosotros puede pasar a recogerla de lunes a viernes en el horario de 09:00 a 01:00.
Sin mas por el momento reciba un cordial saludo.



*note - they asked me for no financials during the process, just a letter confirming that my work still corresponds to the definition in my visa.


pvgolf

Jan 8, 2013, 1:52 PM

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Success. As instructed in our last email from INM Puerto Vallarta, we went to their office on Monday and recieved our new "Residente Permanente" cards. Done. The pickup process took about 15 minutes while they checked a printout of cards that had arrived, retrieved ours from the back office, then had us sign for receiving them. A very painless process. Thank you to all posters who have provided a wealth of information and guidance.


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careyeroslib

Jan 9, 2013, 12:14 PM

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First, thanks SO much for all the helpful info on this Forum, on Rolly´s and Yucalandia´s site, with respect to this topic!

Today, January 9th, was our first trip this year to Immigration in Puerto Vallarta. Our 3rd refrendo (Inmigrante) expires on January 28th, 2013.

At the Puerto Vallarta Immigration office, everybody´s first step is to speak to the lady at the desk straight ahead from the main door. She does everything from telling people where and how to start the process to checking completed packages.

After a short wait, (about 10 minutes) she rapidly checked our packages (details of package below) and made no changes. However, she said she could not officially receive it until January 29, the day AFTER our current refrendo expires. (We are applying on the basis of Section 6 of the Requisitos for Residente Permanente , i.e., 4 years residency). However, today she checked and finalized the package just as if she were receiving it, then gave us back the package along with a payment form. She told us to pay on January 29th (not before), and to return on the 29th. (It doesn´t apply to us, but if the 29th had been on a holiday, the next business day would be fine).

Package as checked and deemed ready for submission

1. Payment form ($1,000 pesos to be paid January 29th at Bank)
2. Online Form with Pieza # , signed and dated (today´s date was fine)
3. Passport (just the main page with photo, plus page with signature)
4. Letter requesting change to Residente Permanente on the basis of residency (see below)
5. Formato Básico, signed and dated January 29th.
6. Pictures (3 front and 2 right profile).

We adapted a letter kindly furnished by Yucalandia (many thanks!) We added a line as per the direction of Section 6 of the Requisitos for change to Residente Permanente on the basis of residency. (Section 6 says to state explicitly that you are applying via this route) Here it is,
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Instituto Nacional de Migración
__ de ________ de 2013

Asunto: Solicitud de Cambio de Condición de Estancia a Residente Permanente

Distinguido Delegado:

Por medio de la presente, yo, ___________________, solicito el cambio condición de mi calidad migratoria de Inmigrante (FM2) a Residente Permanente. Cuatro años hayan transcurrido con permiso de residente temporal y solicito el cambio por esta vía. Adjunto copias de los documentos solicitados para este trámite. Le agradezco por anticipado la atención a la presente solicitud.

Atentamente,

Name
IN #.........
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sparks


Jan 9, 2013, 3:51 PM

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This is Manzanillo ... and we have many presta nombre properties here that aren't normalized and able to have a fideicomiso ....

I got there 1 minute to nine and was ticket #11. It was a quarter to 12 when I finished with my paperwork. I think the main reason for being so slow is half the people don't know the rules have changed and they need all the options explained to them. Many don't know the difference between a fideicomiso and a presta nombre. Two couples were forced to go permanent. The guy interviewing them asked if they owned a house and needed to see their fideicomiso if they did. All these people have presta nombres (La Manzanilla) but they assured the guy they had a fideicomiso. I asked the woman who interviewed me about needing to own a house and she said not important. You figure that one!! I don't think INM knows what a presta nombre is.

Another reason for being slow is they are asking people to come back a second time for finger printing ... and they jump ahead of the line. Dave got finger printed because he cripple, I got mine because I told them I drive a kid to school every day, the guy beside me got his (I think) just because he said he lived in Melaque and it's a long drive. Try that if they want you to make 3 trips. We waited till 1pm for finger printing and got out at a quarter after.

For permanent you need a years worth of bank statements but my interviewer didn't know about income levels to qualify. For a renewal you need 6 month of statements

Anyway ... I got a 2 year visa for about $4800mx and the card will be ready in 3-4 weeks

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barmarr

Jan 9, 2013, 4:30 PM

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Concerned...
The Puerto Vallarta INM office policy demanding that our current visa expire for one day before we can apply for our renewal/new visa appears to only be happening here in PV.
I understand that this is allowing them to charge an additional fee for the expired visa BUT actually this also cancels our TIP on our U.S. plated car.

If we live in the PV area, is it possible for us to renew our visa elsewhere?


careyeroslib

Jan 9, 2013, 5:11 PM

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Barmarr, we have been working with the Vallarta office for 13 years (me) and 17 years(my husband) respectively. Since 2009 they have been exceptioinally helpful. Everybody I know agrees.

I completely disagree with your cynical view of the Puerto Vallarta office.

I´ll be back on the 29th (or 30th) when our applications have been successfully submitted. We chose to apply under Section 6 which says we must be a resident for 4 years (not 4 years less 2.5 weeks). I´m happy the form will be submitted as of Jan. 29th, 4 years plus one day.

If you´re worried, Barmarr, apply under a different criterion. We chose residency(Section 6) because it was easier. Less paperwork. These are very nice people. They are not out to get people. That´s just wrong.


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joaquinx


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I went down to the INM office here in Xalapa simply to find out, in March, what would be my status. I don't have the income to qualifiy for a residente permanente. What I do have is five years on a FM3/No Inmigrante and one year on a FM2/Inmigrante. I was told that I'll have to get a residente temporal) and hold it for three years. After that, I'll be granted a residente permanente. Cost of the three year visa is 5,940 pesos.
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El Gato


Jan 16, 2013, 8:37 AM

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My DH went for his RP as we are on Social Security (have 2 years of FM2) - his renewal was due beginning of Dec & he was the first to apply under new rules. Computer shows Sonora receiving paperwork on 10 enero. Not sure how long it will take from that date or if it has to go elsewhere. Allan of INM office thought it would come through in Feb. My renewal isn't due until Oct.
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Rolly


Jan 21, 2013, 11:28 AM

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This morning I went to my INM office to verify what I was sure is the rule -- prior time with an FM3 cannot be added to Inmigrante time to get to Residente Permanente.

While I was there, I got a copy of the new Formato Básico form which is here.

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joaquinx


Jan 21, 2013, 11:40 AM

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This morning I went to my INM office to verify what I was sure is the rule -- prior time with an FM3 cannot be added to Inmigrante time to get to Residente Permanente.

While I was there, I got a copy of the new Formato Básico form which is here.


Yep, that's the rule. Four years on the same visa. I had five on an fm3/no inmigrante and now one on an fm2/inmigrante and I have to put 3 on a Temporal before I get a Permanente.
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viktoremski


Jan 22, 2013, 12:54 PM

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I went to INM office in Tijuana yesterday. I have had over two years on current Residente Inmigrante, and five years on previous FM3. I had registered my application for "cambio de condicion... a RP" online a few days earlier, and I prepared all the documents they might think of. The only thing I did not have was "pago bancario" form to make the necessary payments. For that reason I did not go directly to one of the processing windows, but to information desk instead. I explained what I came for, and that I needed the bank form. The clerk exclaimed that I could not apply for RP at this moment, and asked me to come back in October when my current card is expiring. She was insisting on that until I told her that I had called the INM hotline earlier, and that I was informed I could apply for RP at any time. She looked frustrated, and allowed me to go to the processing window. The officer there agreed with me that I could apply, but... I needed to go to the information desk again, obtain bank forms, and make the necessary payments. Fortunately, there was a different person at the information desk now. He also agreed that there was no problem. He gave me the bank forms and the new "basico" form, which still has the same questions about religion (!), situation at work (!), and long time ago residency in US (!), but is designed slightly differently. They also did not like the letter I adapted from YucaLandia site (sorry) especially the "(FM2)" mention. Here is the only version they want to see in Tijuana:
Tijuana, B.C., A___de___de 2013
Instituto Nacional de Migracion
A quien corresponda.
Por medio de la presente, solicito: Cambio de condicion de estancia de residente temporal a residente permanente en virtud de haber renovado mi documento migratorio por mas de 4 anos ininterrumpidamente. Mi nombre es___ de nacionalidad ___. Y; bajo protesta de decir verdad, manifiesto que aun subsisten las condiciones bajo las cuales me fue concedida la condicion de estancia. Vivo de mis recursos traidos del extranjero. El domicilio dond vivo es:___
Sin mas por el momento quedo muy agradecido.
Atentamente
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After I made the payments of $3,815 and $1,000, and I redid the documents, I went back to the office, and had my application accepted without any further problem. Now I have to check my "pieza" online, and then go back, hopefully to do fingerprinting and leave them my charming pictures ;]


pacabeddow

Jan 23, 2013, 10:00 AM

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I am a little concerned about the information I recently received at the Ensenada immigration office. I went in to renew my FM3, of course knowing that it is no longer called that . The girl at the desk told me that since I had 4 years on my FM3, that I could move on to the permanent residente status. My FM3 expires on 2/12/2013. She told me I had to wait until after 2/12/2013 to apply for my permanent card and had up until 6 MONTHS to do this. THIS IS THE PART THAT CONCERNS ME...6 months? Could this be? Thanks for a response.


YucaLandia


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This approach follows the old route to Inmigrado status, where you complete 5 years on an FM2, and then apply for an Inmigrado permit within 6 months of completing 5 years of FM2. This approach does not exactly fit the requirements listed in the May 2011 Law or the Nov. 2012 Lineamientos. Still, each regional INM office has broad discretion and latitude in how they apply the federal rules.
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mazbook1


Jan 23, 2013, 4:55 PM

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YucaLandia, You're correct, as usual, but this is such VERY odd information that I think the person who posted it [pacabeddow] should go back to the Ensenada INM office and ask to speak to the manager. Under the new rules, IF that advice were followed, it would result in the person having to leave México, go to the nearest Mexican Consulate and start the process of getting a Residente Permanente card from scratch. NOT a desirable thing to have to do.


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Rolly


Jan 23, 2013, 5:09 PM

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A few days ago at my INM office, I was told to apply for Permanente on the day my Temporal expires.

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Ric Hoffman


Jan 26, 2013, 11:12 AM

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When you read the requirements listed for each INM actions, you will see what is actually needed to process your request. The second requirement listed for Artículo 44. Ficha del trámite para cambio de condición de estancia en la modalidad, de residente temporal a residente permanente: states: Tarjeta de residente temporal, válida y vigente; if you wait until it expires it may not be accepted.

Translate as: Temporary Resident Card, valid and current.


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Microvolt

Jan 26, 2013, 6:41 PM

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Hi – I wanted to give my final report on applying for a Residente Permanent, as someone who has been on 2 working (lucrative) FM3’s since 2003 – I applied based on years accumulated, having a 4 on the back of my previous card - a neighbor was going to San Luis Potosi on Monday and offered me a ride, instead I asked him if he could try to pick up my visa because we are far from San Luis, and I printed a “Carta Poder”, a letter authorizing him to pick up my visa which I signed and had two people sign as testigos (witnesses) – I attached to the letter photocopies of: the first page of my passport, the letter they gave me in immigration that has the NUT#, and the credencial de elector (ID) of the two testigos.

And it worked; they gave him my card, and hand wrote a couple of instructions on the envelope about reporting a change of address, or getting married, - and that was it – it feels good, to not have the pressure to go every year, or worry about travelling close to the renewal date – the card looks professional and modern – and another positive detail, the CURP is correct, the CURP has the right letters – it matches my RFC and has the “X” signifying the lack of a second last name, in the right place (It would have kind of sucked to have a “permanent” visa with a permanent error) – this was something I had been a little worried about because my last two FM3 cards had an error in the CURP, similar to what others have discussed here in recent posts, but I had never reported it or tried to correct it.

I am new to Mexconnect – I started reading the first week of November after a google search about the new visa rules, because I needed to understand better the new system and the changes – now that my visa process has completed its cycle I will probably read less - but I want to thank all of you for your helpful contributions and wisdom – I have been reading daily, in the living forums, and have enjoyed the give and take and the personalities – I even like the arguing for the most part, because people express their passions from different perspectives, and it is often helpful in hashing out the most accurate information, even if it might not always be the most efficient way to get there – Thanks.



Johnarnold

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Hola! Has ANYBODY received a temporary visa the "new way" ..ie...began at a Mexican consul office then arrived in Mexico to exchange the passport special tourist visa for thier Temporay visa? I arrived here in Mazatlan and applied November 28. ..and still waiting.....


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Hola! Has ANYBODY received a temporary visa the "new way" ..ie...began at a Mexican consul office then arrived in Mexico to exchange the passport special tourist visa for thier Temporay visa? I arrived here in Mazatlan and applied November 28. ..and still waiting.....


Anybody at all???? Is the silence really "no" ? :-)


johnrmcc

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I originally applied in Dec. The paperwork was approved and I went to Cancun INM Jan 25, 2013 to pay the fee and was fingerprinted. They said the card would be back in 3 weeks. I asked if there was a way to check online to assure it it had arrived and they said no I would have to come check at the office.


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I originally applied in Dec. The paperwork was approved and I went to Cancun INM Jan 25, 2013 to pay the fee and was fingerprinted. They said the card would be back in 3 weeks. I asked if there was a way to check online to assure it it had arrived and they said no I would have to come check at the office.


Thanks for the reply John. So yours will be "soon" also. I went to Mazatlan Migracion today and was very disappointed ..but not too surprised... I was offered a FOUR year temporary residence back in November and paid for that number of years. I was told today they made a mistake only ONE year is allowed to be paid for. So...I had to pay for that year while I get in line at another government office to get my refund for the four years. However...I was told that it would take only 10 more days... Really. :-)??.....


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I originally applied in Dec. The paperwork was approved and I went to Cancun INM Jan 25, 2013 to pay the fee and was fingerprinted. They said the card would be back in 3 weeks. I asked if there was a way to check online to assure it it had arrived and they said no I would have to come check at the office.


Thanks for the reply John. So yours will be "soon" also. I went to Mazatlan Migracion today and was very disappointed ..but not too surprised... I was offered a FOUR year temporary residence back in November and paid for that number of years. I was told today they made a mistake only ONE year is allowed to be paid for. So...I had to pay for that year while I get in line at another government office to get my refund for the four years. However...I was told that it would take only 10 more days... Really. :-)??.....


... I was offered a FOUR year temporary residence back in November ...
This is curious.

The only way a foreigner can get a 4 year Temporary Resident card, is to apply for a new permit at their Consulate outside of Mexico. If someone is applying from inside Mexico, they must already have an FM2 or FM3 - and as they are applying for an extension of that existing FM2 or FM3, they will have already completed either 1 year, or 2 years, or 3 years on that current permit. This means that it really is not possible for ordinary foreigners to apply for 4 years of a Residente Temporal card from inside Mexico.

Refugees and other special categories can enter Mexico on Visitante permits, and then apply for a Residente Temporal card while in Mexico. Typical foreigners here in Mexico on Visitor permits must leave Mexico and apply for their Residente Temporal cards at a Consulate outside Mexico. Hence, if you are a normal foreigner in Mexico on an FM2/FM3, then you can only get an extension of your FM2/FM3 as a Residente Temporal card of 1 year - up to 3 years, depending on how many years you have already completed, not to exceed a total of 4 between the two permits. i.e. If you have completed 3 years on an FM3, then you can only apply for 1 added year with a Residente Temporal card. This has been true since Nov. 8, 2012.

or.... do I misunderstand?
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sparks


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Hard to believe the amount of confusion between offices and between agents. Same kind of confusion in Manzanillo on various things ... but I squeaked thru

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Johnarnold

Jan 29, 2013, 8:24 PM

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Actually I DID start the process from the Mexican consul office in Tucson. So is the Mazatlan office wrong..and if so how successful would I be at convincing them...with my lexicon of about 20 Spanish words...that I CAN indeed have a four year temporary resident visa?


YucaLandia


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Actually I DID start the process from the Mexican consul office in Tucson. So is the Mazatlan office wrong..and if so how successful would I be at convincing them...with my lexicon of about 20 Spanish words...that I CAN indeed have a four year temporary resident visa?


Based on this new information, yes, you should be allowed to pay for 4 years of a Temporary Resident card. (not a visa)

You could read: INM Residente Temporal and Residente Permanente Permit Fees to get the information on fees.

As listed on Yucalandia: New Rules and Procedures for Immigration, Visiting, and Staying in Mexico You could print out a copy of the Tarjeta de Residencia Fees from Article 80, Ley Federal de Derechos (D.O.F. Sept. 4, 2012), and give a copy of the DOF listing to your Mazatlan INM office.

Is it possible that the problem has come from your inability to speak Spanish, and that they misunderstood your request to pay for 4 years of a Tarjeta de Residente Temporal, or that you misunderstood them?
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Jan 29, 2013, 9:01 PM)


careyeroslib

Jan 29, 2013, 9:34 PM

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My husband and I handed in our paperwork today, finally ( applying for Residente Permanente on the basis of 4 years residency) . We were there on January 9th but they said we had to wait until the day after our Inmigrantes expired (yesterday) before submitting the paperwork.

This is the Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco office.


Johnarnold

Jan 30, 2013, 11:08 AM

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Thanks for all the info and links Steve. I am meeting with Angel here in Mazatlan...he seems to be the local guru and facilitator for legal issue with INM and aduane. I will,update after meeting with him.


Johnarnold

Jan 30, 2013, 2:56 PM

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OK. So the local guru told me that my INITIAL temporary resident card can only be for ONE year. After that I can apply for 1 thru 4 years. TEN weeks for INM to find this mistake .. :-(


stevebrtx

Jan 31, 2013, 8:10 AM

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So, by that statement, do you have to leave the country, "go home" and start a new application, then in 1 year, go home again and apply for a 1-4 year?


Johnarnold

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So, by that statement, do you have to leave the country, "go home" and start a new application, then in 1 year, go home again and apply for a 1-4 year?


Oh gosh no. Apply. Get one year only. Apply for additional years after one year..apply here in Mexico.


stevebrtx

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So you only have to go home once, that's better, but odd, I believe that's the first I've heard of the 1 and then 1-4 plan, seems I've seen other posts where folks got 4 on the first pass.


Johnarnold

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So you only have to go home once, that's better, but odd, I believe that's the first I've heard of the 1 and then 1-4 plan, seems I've seen other posts where folks got 4 on the first pass.


No..I do not have to go nob.


stevebrtx

Jan 31, 2013, 9:52 AM

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Ok, now that is for sure a variance from what we've been told. To start a new Temporal you have to go NOB to a consulate.


viktoremski


Jan 31, 2013, 10:34 AM

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Update: After only a week, I found a notification "presentarse en la oficina", and yesterday I went there to finalize the Residente Permanente deal. My fingerprints were taken, and pictures collected. I was told the card should arrive from DF in 2-3 weeks.
What I forgot to mention in my original message is that I was not asked for any financial statements. I also tried to give them a copy of my former FM3, but they did not need it.


Irishincolumbus

Feb 11, 2013, 10:14 AM

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We have five or six threads dealing with the new INM rules.
It will be much more useful to consolidate our experiences.
So. please, lets use this thread to report of experience with INM and Consulate offices.

I married a Mexican lady last year and planning to move and retire there in May. She went to immigration in Queretaro on Friday to find how I get my visa under the new rules. All they said was we needed marriage certificate with apostille , passport ,tourist visa from when I enter and a letter stating why I want to live in Mexico which seemed odd since I'm married to a Mexican. Nothing was said about income requirements etc .... can anyone help me with the basics . Much appreciated , James


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John Shrall

Feb 12, 2013, 12:21 PM

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After starting our permanente process on November 12 in Chapala and fingerprinted in Guadalajara on December 19, we finally received our permanente cards at the municipal building in Guadalajara on February 6.

There was no notification on the Internet, but being so close we thought we'd take a chance.

Even though we were in town for a tennis tournament 10 minutes away from the building on Alcade and were able to go right to the front of the line with our paper containing the NUT, the whole process took close to 3 hours.

I can only imagine how all the envelopes containing the cards are stacked in the back room. Based on the time needed to find the cards I suspect there is no filing system in place at all.

Anticipating we'd apply for inmigrado since our 5 years were up before the new rules went into effect we had already disposed of the US plated car and bought one in Mexico so we're finally done!


sparks


Feb 12, 2013, 3:56 PM

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Just picked up my 2 year Temporal today. Took 1/2 hour. The online checking site said my papers never got past Colima. I was notified by email

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Feb 14, 2013, 4:35 AM

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Here is the communication one man got from the Houston consulate - he is tied up in knots about this - it started with problems because his financial institution provides quarterly statements instead of monthly ones.

Here is the reply after telling them I have quarterly statements...

For your visa, since you are telling me that you are not going to be able to provide the bank statements, then I will need a letter from your financial institution stating that you have the monthly balance needed.

Joint bank account is accepted when the balance proves that is sufficient to cover the expenses of the couple for the period of time that they will remain in Mexico.

As I have informed, the minimum requested per person is monthly balance of 97, 969.24 usd (20 mil días de salario mínimo) or pension deposits of at least 1,959.26 usd.

These are the requirements established, without them I wouldn’t be able to issue the visa.

Another option for you would be to once having your Temporary Residence in Mexico, go to INM and apply for your wife’s visa for family unit. If the immigration authorities resolve to approve it, they will provide a document that your wife will bring to the Consulate and then I will be able to issue the visa.


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YucaLandia


Feb 14, 2013, 8:06 PM

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There are reports about the Mexican Consulate in Orlando, coming from a person who has just been been approved, saying that the Consulate gave both them, and the people after them, visas with 180 day expiration dates - giving them 180 days to enter Mexico.
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Feb 15, 2013, 12:05 PM

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That has been my understanding all along - 6 months to enter Mexico and then 30 days to get to your immigration office in Mexico
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Opatije

Feb 15, 2013, 12:53 PM

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Yes that is correct - at least what is printed on our visas.


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That has been my understanding all along - 6 months to enter Mexico and then 30 days to get to your immigration office in Mexico



YucaLandia


Feb 15, 2013, 1:17 PM

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I don't know about correct or not, but some applicants have only been given 30 days, and others given 55 days by various Consulates.

Foreigners have been having a bit of luck by showing copies of the official rules to both Consular and INM staff, during this time of varied and patchwork applications of the rules.

Is there any reference or guidance document that Mexconnect readers have spotted that quotes a standard value?
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BajaBarry

Feb 15, 2013, 2:01 PM

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Our No Inmigrante documents expire next month. In January we spoke with Bianca in the Loreto INM office. My wife is working full time, and except for the next two weeks, will not be able to be in Loreto until October. We explained the situation and Bianca told us, after I asked, that we could obtain a Power of Attorney so that I would be able to take possession of her card after it is returned from Mexico City. She said that the two weeks would be sufficient for everything, including my wife's fingerprints, to get done in Loreto, but not long enough to get the final document back.

Today a friend, who I asked to help with the PoA, spoke with her and she said it is not possible!! We plan to go to the office first thing Monday morning to get the process started, and if she does not remember telling us it is okay, we will speak with her superior.

Does anyone have any experience with the use of a PoA with INM, especially recently? Thanks.


Irishincolumbus

Feb 16, 2013, 8:23 AM

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Rolly posted the INM Handbook in previous forum and it has the number of days you have to enter Mexico , just one seems to be 30 days with most 180. Be prepared to get different answers if you talk to more than person. My wife was given one answer of requirements when she visited INM in Queretaro and then a similar but longer list of requirements after I asked her to call the 800 number. So the suggestion of printing out the requirements and taking them along is good advice from Steve and make sure to do as much research up front as you can.

James


Microvolt

Feb 16, 2013, 9:42 PM

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I was able to have a neighbor pick up my card in San Luis Potosi in January, by providing him with a simple letter authorizing him to pick it up, signed by me and 2 witnesses (neighbors) and copies of their IFE id (voter id cards) and a copy of the first page of my passport.


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Feb 20, 2013, 5:15 AM

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My Trámite for Residente Permanente was submitted on 14 December 2012; after three weeks of emails and meeting with INM before they agreed I did not need to wait until 30 days before my current card expired (21 August 2013). Formal application signed and fingerprints taken on 21 January 2013. Email notification of returned card sent by INM on 6 February 2013. The card was issued on 16 December 2012.


La Isla


Feb 20, 2013, 10:19 AM

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My Trámite for Residente Permanente was submitted on 14 December 2012; after three weeks of emails and meeting with INM before they agreed I did not need to wait until 30 days before my current card expired (21 August 2013). Formal application signed and fingerprints taken on 21 January 2013. Email notification of returned card sent by INM on 6 February 2013. The card was issued on 16 December 2012.


I'm confused. Are you saying that you applied for a RP card on December 14, 2012, and it was issued two days later?


Ric Hoffman


Feb 20, 2013, 10:26 AM

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Yes, on the reverse of the card is the issue date. Which is actually the date the approving authority signed the application or Tramite. That is normally the Delgado for the regional INM. The complete packet is then sent to DF to be completed and the card issued and returned to your regional INM.


La Isla


Feb 20, 2013, 10:33 AM

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I see. And then it took almost two months for it to be processed in Mexico City and returned to your local INM office. Thanks for posting this information, Ric. It's useful to know how long all of this can take. Since I live in Mexico City, maybe it won't take as long for me :-)!


Ric Hoffman


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It wasn't that long when you consider the Christmas break was about 10 days. You can plan on probably 2 - 3 weeks since you live in DF.


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La Isla


Feb 20, 2013, 11:01 AM

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That's true. Forgot about the holiday recess.


S & C

Feb 22, 2013, 3:04 PM

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I recently posted about my confusion and appreciate any answers I got.
Today was my day for INM.
My wife and I had 4 years of FM3 and last year started another round with the new FM3, no inmigrato rentista. Several people plus a lawyer said I could get the permanent status but from what I read I was skeptical. I filled out the applications for Permanente status but also did ones for the temporal visa just in case. That way I wouldn't have to drive 40 minutes home and go back on Monday, (which is usually the most crowded day). I even had 6 months of financials ready just in case.
We arrived at the INM office in Playa Del Carmen, Q Roo. (an area loaded with non mexicans and an office that is always really busy). We got there 15 minutes before opening time and were 15th in line.
When we got to the counter I presented our docs for Permenante and after checking the computer were told we could not get it. We just finished our 1st year on a noinmigrante card and all past FM3 years do not count.
I took back the papers and handed him ones for the residente temporal visa and he said I could get one for 3 years, which we decided to do. I then needed a new letter, photos, and I had to make the bank payment before anything else could be done. There is a guy next to the INM office that does letters, photos and other help. We got what we needed from him. He charges a lot but does a good fast job. We went 3 blocks to a bank and it was empty! (My first time in a bank here without a decent line). We each had to pay $5,940 pesos for the 3 year visa, (@$ 467 usd each). No Credit card, pesos only.
Went back to INM and but needed 2 copies of the bank receipt. Waited for only about 10 minutes and then we were served.
They required the on line application, a letter stating what we wanted to do, photos, a CFE bill, a copy of our passports, our NoInmigrante card, 2 copies of the bank pymt, one was given back as our receipt, PLUS they required my last 3 months of bank statements in both English and Spanish. (for some reason this office ALWAYS wants them).
We got our NUT and password and were on our way.
The staff was very thorough and helpful and spoke some English which helped with our bad Spanish.
The ENTIRE thing from arriving and waiting for them to open plus all the errands took only 1 1/2 hours. (In past years I waited in the INM office longer than that!)
Hope this helps someone down the line...
Stan


MaryPat

Feb 24, 2013, 2:12 PM

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I also had a similar experience last week. I live in Quintana Roo and our INM office is in Chetumal. I and my husband have had FM3's (no inmigrante/rentista-no lucrativa) since September 2004. Six years with the green "passport" type books and the past 3 years with the plastic cards. I went to INM to check what was the earliest date I could apply for residente permanente. The INM office worker looked in the computer and said not for another year. She said there was no record of my first 6 years with the "green booklet" in their computer.
Questions: Have people in other states experienced similar situations? Is it Federal INM policy that only the time on the plastic cards will be applied to whether we can apply for residente temporal or permanente?
I plan on going into the INM office next week again to speak with another person--but if this is standard policy I don't want to waste my time and energy.
Any thoughts?
Thank you
Mary Pat


YucaLandia


Feb 24, 2013, 2:19 PM

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I also had a similar experience last week. I live in Quintana Roo and our INM office is in Chetumal. I and my husband have had FM3's (no inmigrante/rentista-no lucrativa) since September 2004. Six years with the green "passport" type books and the past 3 years with the plastic cards. I went to INM to check what was the earliest date I could apply for residente permanente. The INM office worker looked in the computer and said not for another year. She said there was no record of my first 6 years with the "green booklet" in their computer.
Questions: Have people in other states experienced similar situations? Is it Federal INM policy that only the time on the plastic cards will be applied to whether we can apply for residente temporal or permanente?
I plan on going into the INM office next week again to speak with another person--but if this is standard policy I don't want to waste my time and energy.
Any thoughts?
Thank you
Mary Pat


We have the same experience here. The INM offices seem to only keep the records related to your current permit.

Is it Federal INM policy that only the time on the plastic cards will be applied to whether we can apply for residente temporal or permanente?

This statement/question is neither fully true nor fully false.
INM's policy is to count the time you have completed on your current INM permit. i.e. Since the cards have only been in use for 2 or 3 years (depending on when you renew), many of us started with the green books, and then were given cards on our current INM permits. This means we could have completed 4 years total now, qualifying for Residente Permanente now, while counting 2 years using the old FM3 booklets and 2 years on the FM3 cards - as long as we had no breaks and no fines on our current No Immigrante (FM3) permit.

What is the expiration date on your current card?
What does the back of your card say about Prorroga years?

These 2 items are key to: when you can apply under INM's new law, and for which permit you qualify.
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MaryPat

Feb 24, 2013, 2:39 PM

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Current expiration date on back of cards is 25/8-2013
Back of card states Prorroga 2.
Mary Pat


careyeroslib

Feb 27, 2013, 12:28 PM

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My experience with the Puerto Vallarta office (so far)

We submitted our documents for Residente Permanente one day after our 3 refrendo of Inmigrante expired (as we were advised to do by the agent), on Jan. 29th.

On Monday, Feb. 25th, we received the online message to "presentarse" at Migracíon. We did so today and were fingerprinted, etc. The Agent told us to return in three weeks for our cards. There would be no further online messages. This would make the total time app. 7 weeks (assuming the cards arrive in 3 weeks).

Note: Unfortunately, the same day, we also had to trámite for a Permisio de salida y regreso (covered under a separate thread) as we have to leave the country for 2 weeks, leaving in less than 2 weeks. I reported on what they wanted in a separate thread.


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Feb 27, 2013, 1:17 PM

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My wife received her card in less than 2 weeks. I will have waited 3 weeks this Friday. It is true that the website is no longer updated as to when the card is ready for pickup but here, Cuernavaca, they did call my wife and tell her to come in.

I have this theory that cards come in once a week. She got lucky, Me not so much.


KarenK

Mar 4, 2013, 1:50 PM

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Hola all. New to this forum, which is very informative, and I wanted to share our recent INM experience. We live in Playa del Carmen (our INM office here is notorious, and has had management changed a few times over the last few years, most recently last month). Our FM-3 non-lucrativa had 4 renewals (including two renewals of the old green paper one), and we were told we had to apply for Permanent Resident. I think we just got lucky in the timing of the new laws.

Paperwork was easy for us, the usual letter and application, proof of income in the form of a translated updated pension letter, three months of Bancomer statements showing we deposited $1500USD/month, which was the old rule. That's about it, really, so it shows that the rules are being applied differently in different offices. They have never, in five years, asked us if we own this condo, which we have owned for ten years.

Start to finish: ten weeks. 1000 pesos each to submit the application, then 3800 pesos each for the visa. It really is valid indefinitely, until they change the laws or until we change our address. I can hardly believe that we don't have to go to immigration next December, or the next. So hang in there fellow applicants! It can happen.


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Mar 4, 2013, 2:10 PM

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Hola! Has ANYBODY received a temporary visa the "new way" ..ie...began at a Mexican consul office then arrived in Mexico to exchange the passport special tourist visa for thier Temporay visa? I arrived here in Mazatlan and applied November 28. ..and still waiting.....


I will be starting the process here in Canada on Thursday. Hopefully things go smoothly.

I am moving to DF so I hope things go as easily there as at the outlying offices in other places. I speak very little Spanish, but will be power-drilling before I go to the office.

Does anyone have experience with the INM office in DF?

Regarding proof if income. Will pay stubs combined with a deposit statement from my bank be sufficient? Advice would be nice here.


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La Isla


Mar 4, 2013, 6:22 PM

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I've lived in Mexico City for 5 and a half years and have a No Inmigrante lucrativa visa with 4 prórrogas. The INM office here is big and crowded. In the last couple of years, it has become more efficient and easier to deal with. Of course, with all the new rules finally in place, who knows what it will be like when I go to change to Residente Permanente in about a month. I've never had to supply proof of income since I have a visa that allows me to work in Mexico.


CanGuy78


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I've lived in Mexico City for 5 and a half years and have a No Inmigrante lucrativa visa with 4 prórrogas. The INM office here is big and crowded. In the last couple of years, it has become more efficient and easier to deal with. Of course, with all the new rules finally in place, who knows what it will be like when I go to change to Residente Permanente in about a month. I've never had to supply proof of income since I have a visa that allows me to work in Mexico.


Thanks good to know. I'll be applying for a lucrativa as well as I would like to work legally.

Will be be able to add the working bit onto my visa easily once I start the process? The company I am going to work for will provide the required letter, but not until I arrive, so I don't think I can start my process here as a working visa, only as a non-working visa.

If anyone has clarification on this it would be appreciated, as the guidelines listed are vague on this and the pre-application that I have to take to the Consulate with me list lucrativa as a type of visa to apply for, however I have no letter of employment from the company until I arrive.


La Isla


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I think it would make things easier for you if the company you will be working for could give you the letter before you get here. They may not be aware of how much things have changed at INM in the last few months. It used to be fairly easy to change the kind of visa you have once you were here, but that may not be the case anymore. I work as a free-lance English teacher, so my experiences won't be of much use to you, I'm afraid.


CanGuy78


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I think it would make things easier for you if the company you will be working for could give you the letter before you get here. They may not be aware of how much things have changed at INM in the last few months. It used to be fairly easy to change the kind of visa you have once you were here, but that may not be the case anymore. I work as a free-lance English teacher, so my experiences won't be of much use to you, I'm afraid.


I am actually going to be doing something similar. Though I will be working in a private school as well, at least initially.


La Isla


Mar 4, 2013, 8:10 PM

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I have contacts with lots of expat English teachers in the D.F. Send me a PM if you'd be interested in getting together once you've arrived.


Johnarnold

Mar 4, 2013, 9:38 PM

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Just picked up my 2 year Temporal today. Took 1/2 hour. The online checking site said my papers never got past Colima. I was notified by email


Sparks..my INM in Mazatlan rescinded a previous offer of a 4 year temorary resident card and could ONLY offer me one year. I am brand new to Mexico with zero,prior years of living here. How about you?


sparks


Mar 5, 2013, 7:00 AM

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I just finished year 7. 5 on an FM3 and 2 on a No Inmigrante. That's why I was offered 2 more.

I've heard of a few newcomers only getting a one year

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Rolly


Mar 5, 2013, 7:23 AM

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INM changed the rules and is now allowing only a one-year RT for those who applied at a consulate.
This rule change seems to put a 4 year card out of reach for everyone.

Rolly Pirate


Johnarnold

Mar 5, 2013, 7:55 AM

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Thanks for that confirmation Rolly.,up until now I was feeling a little left out!


La Isla


Mar 5, 2013, 1:16 PM

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  This morning I finally made it to INM in Mexico City to find out what I'd need to do when my current No Inmigrante visa expires in May. When I walked into the building, I received a number (240) and was asked to take a seat and wait for it to be called. When I sat down, they were calling number 275. Of course, I'd brought a book to pass the time, and in about 45 minutes my number was called. A very pleasant young woman helped me with my questions. Since my card has 4 prórrogas, she told me that I am eligible to apply for Residente Permanente status (!!) and could start the trámites exactly 30 days before my current visa expires in May. Since I have permission to work, I won't have to present any sort of financial statements, nor will I have to show proof of having recently paid taxes to the Mexican government, which I've had to do in the past. The total cost for changing my status to RP will be $4815. $1000 when I turn in all the required documentation and photos and the rest when my new card is ready to be picked. After that I won't ever have to return to INM unless I get married (that isn't going to happen!) or move. I feel much relieved and can now focus on other pressing tasks, like signing up with IMSS and going to the dentist. I wonder which of these will be more painful :-)-


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Mar 6, 2013, 3:24 AM

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INM changed the rules and is now allowing only a one-year RT for those who applied at a consulate.
This rule change seems to put a 4 year card out of reach for everyone.


As a first timer am I to understand this means I can only apply for 1 year at the start and then renew each year as opposed to paying for all 4 years at once?


Rolly


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Your first RT can only be for one year.
At the renewal time, you have the option of paying for the next three years.

Rolly Pirate


KarenK

Mar 6, 2013, 8:52 AM

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We had to pay the 3815 pesos at the final submission appointment, NOT at the end of the process. The money was paid at the appointment BEFORE we got our fingerprints and handed in photos. From that point it was four weeks to delivery.


La Isla


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We had to pay the 3815 pesos at the final submission appointment, NOT at the end of the process. The money was paid at the appointment BEFORE we got our fingerprints and handed in photos. From that point it was four weeks to delivery.


That sounds right. Sorry if my account was not as accurate as it should have been.


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My wife and I went to the Manzanillo IMM office today ( March 6) to renew our immigration status.
We both had FM3 cards ( 1 year) due for renewal before March 27. We presented copies of our passports, FM3 cards (front and back) and 6 months of bank statements. The IMM agent gave us options for 1, 2, or 3 year renewal and the standard costs, temporary resident. She called her manager over and after a short conversation they told us we also had the option for Permanent Residency. The agent asked if we had a foreign plated car – if so it would be illegal to drive it with the permanent resident status. We don't have a car here so we selected the permanent resident option. She said we needed to email her another 6 months of bank statements but we could start the process immediately. We went to the bank and paid the $4815 peso fee. When we returned we asked for and email address to send the bank statements – she said no problem they really didn't need them – not to bother.
We were fingerprinted and told she would email us when our cards arrived, probably the 1st week in April – after Easter week. Total time at IMM was about 30 minutes, the line to pay at the bank took longer. Altogether a pleasant and painless process.We are very happy to be able to do this in only 2 trips.


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Interesting ... did they tell you why you qualified for permanent. They didn't offer it to me there

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About to head to my appointment at the Mexican Consulate in Toronto. Wish me luck.


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Interesting ... did they tell you why you qualified for permanent. They didn't offer it to me there


Scott - they said the income requirements were 33,000 pesos / month
I assume this was for both myself and my wife.
My wife and I do not share last names - but were not asked for any marriage documents.


TedZar

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So when I read all this, I wonder is there any reason why one would apply for the temporary versus permanent visa if you have the financial wherewithal to qualify? Do they decide at the consulate what you are eligible for? Or can you chose? Assuming of course you have the funds.


YucaLandia


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The Mexican Consulates might offer you the option, but the official way the system works is for you to decide what residency category you want, and you then apply for that category.

In the past, a few Consulates were making up their own rules about needing prior years as a resident of Mexico, but we understand that they have been instructed to follow the rules in the meantime. The INM rules say that if you have an annual monthly balance of at least $1,619,000 pesos (about $125,000 USD at $13:1 MXN:USD) for the past year, then you qualify for Residente Permanente. Alternately, if you have average monthly income deposits of at least $32,380 pesos for 6 prior months (about $2,500 USD a month at $13:1 MXN:USD), then you qualify for Residente Permanente.

There are various benefits and drawbacks to each type of residency card. We have summarized the differences at: Advantages and Disadvantages of Residente Permanente vs. Residente Temporal

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Mar 9, 2013, 9:28 PM

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Thanks again, Steve.

My documentable income coming into my bank account every month is not from a pension though. It is from a business I own. Does that complicate things? I can't provide a pension or investments statement, but can easily document the funds coming in regularly over several years even. Are some consulates more picky that others about this?


YucaLandia


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Hi Ted,
The rules literally specify "income OR monthly pension deposits" (by our crude translation) :
"En el caso de pensionados o jubilados deberán presentar:
a) Original y copia de comprobante de inversiones o cuentas bancarias con saldo promedio mensual equivalente a veinticinco mil días de salario mínimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal durante los últimos doce meses, o
b) Original y copia de los documentos que demuestren que cuenta con ingresos o pensión mensual libre de gravámenes equivalente a quinientos días de salario mínimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal, durante los últimos seis meses
, ..."

Lineamientos, Article 44, Requisitos.

From modified Google Translate:
"In the case of pensioners and retirees, they must submit:
a) Original and copy of proof of investments or bank accounts with monthly average balance equivalent to twenty thousand days of general minimum wage in Mexico City during the last twelve months, or
b) Original and copies of documents that show income or monthly pension deposits (without liens or claims against the pension income) equivalent to five hundred days of general minimum wage in the Federal District, for the past six months, ..."

More talented translators may offer better insights,
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TedZar

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Thank you, Steve.

I appreciate the time you have taken with this.

I have contacted the embassy here in Thailand to see if I can apply here and what they might require for documentation. There is no mention of anything but tourist or business visas on their website. Let's see if they reply to their contact form. It may not be something they do very often (if ever) here.

Thanks again.

TedZ


TedZar

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Question: Once the consular application is done and you arrive in Mexico and go to INM, do you go through the same application process again? Will you need to again document income/accounts etc or is that part finished? Just curious at what point it is a "done deal" (understanding of course that these things are never really a "done deal" - but you know what I mean).

Thank you!


CanGuy78


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First time applicant here, going to post my experience thus far.

Called my local consulate office and asked for an appointment, was given one about a week and a half later.

I had to bring the following items:
Proof of income (bank statements)
Passport
Visa Application
Passport sized photo

Upon arriving they took all my documents and clipped them together.

I waited around 45 minutes and my name was called. I went over to the little glass window and was asked two questions:

a) How long do I plan on living in Mexico?
b) Why do I want to live in Mexico?

Paid my registration fee and was told to come back the following Tuesday to pick up my passport.

Went and got it today, has a nice sticker with a lot of official things on it including a visa number. Was instructed that it is a single entry Visa, and I must go to INM within 30 days of my arrival.

I was told to bring my Passport, my tourist visa and proof of address in Mexico when I go to INM.

Seems this is almost like being approved ahead of time and I just have to go to INM to get the plastic card when I arrive in Mexico. I'll post my INM experience after I get that all done.

As a note, I asked if I would need to provide my financial information to INM when I arrive and I was specifically told NO, I already gave it to them here I do not need to provide it to INM when I arrive.


(This post was edited by CanGuy78 on Mar 12, 2013, 10:52 AM)


TedZar

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CanGuy wrote:

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I was told to bring my Passport, my tourist visa and proof of address in Mexico when I go to INM.


This is for a tourist visa?


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Rolly


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No. It was an application for a Residente card.

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TedZar

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I thought so . . . but it said tourist card. Just wanted to be sure. That sounds good. Personally, I'll have to jiggle my accounts around to qualify and I will want to put things back the way I had them before as soon as I can.

I spoke with the embassy here yesterday and they were VERY helpful. The consular aide asked me send my financials and anything else along and they would evaluate my request and tell me what else I might need or what I might need to document better before doing the OFFICIAL application.

So once arriving in Mexico - the financials part is done? That is super.

Thank you to everyone here for the help. Every little piece helps put the puzzle together.

TZ


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nomore

Mar 12, 2013, 4:21 PM

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All these people on this site are probably wiser than I am - BUT - when you are at the consulate you will be able to look at your passport and see if you were granted temporary or permanent status. It is cut and dry. When we went, we didn't even really know the difference - I just said to the very very very nice guy - "Hey this is it - we want to stay in Mexico forever." (It was interesting that we were in a room of hundreds of Mexicans that wanted to stay in the US and we were the only ones going in the other direction).

There is another aspect to this whole process that I have not seen mention of. The MENAJE. Boy if we had that to do over again would we have handled that differently. When we went to the consulate for our visa we also had a menaje prepared as well.

Looking back it seems awkward. The process almost seems like they expect you to move here with nothing - and then when you get your creds - return to the states (or wherever) and bring your stuff down. For us - we sold the house in the states and pretty much were vagabonds. We gave away and sold way way too much stuff and fit what was left in a 5 X 8 trailer. In hind sight I would have / should have brought in a 40 foot trailer of stuff.


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Mar 12, 2013, 4:23 PM

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>>>> I'll have to jiggle my accounts around to qualify

That's a little hard to back date them 6 months isn't it

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TedZar

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>>>> I'll have to jiggle my accounts around to qualify

That's a little hard to back date them 6 months isn't it


No. The documented income is there for monthly but it is not a pension and it is from multiple sources and in several accounts. I suspect many people who own businesses have similar circumstances.

So . . . in this case I am talking about the cash in the bank in case they don't accept the income approach due to it not being specifically from a pension or Social Security and obviously from several sources (and goes up and down as businesses do). To qualify with cash in the bank I'll probably need to borrow against a house on the USA it to bump up the base amount in the account.

Part of the problem is that all my assets and accounts are in the USA and I am not. I am retired in a third country. Just trying to cover ALL the bases and check all the alternatives.


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TedZar

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Just curious. Are there any "out of country" restrictions when on a residente permanente visa? Can you come and go as you please and even spend extended time out of the country? I sometimes need to attend to my business in the USA.

Thanks to all for continuing guidance.

TZ


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Rolly


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Np restrictions at all.

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TedZar

Mar 13, 2013, 10:59 AM

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Thank you!

TZ


salto_jorge

Mar 15, 2013, 3:09 PM

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Went to the Consulate office last week and I was told what papers were needed.
When I asked for an appointment I was told to call or stop back next week, so this week I went to the office.

I had wanted a Permanent Resident but after asking a few questions and when my last papers expired I was issued a Temporary Resident. It is valid for a single entry and 6 months, even with a mexican spouse they would not grant a Permanent Resident, a $36 dollar fee was charged.

How long does it take to issed ones laminated card or piece of paper once they visit their local office in Mexico ?





La Isla


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Went to the Consulate office last week and I was told what papers were needed.
When I asked for an appointment I was told to call or stop back next week, so this week I went to the office.

I had wanted a Permanent Resident but after asking a few questions and when my last papers expired I was issued a Temporary Resident. It is valid for a single entry and 6 months, even with a mexican spouse they would not grant a Permanent Resident, a $36 dollar fee was charged.

How long does it take to issed ones laminated card or piece of paper once they visit their local office in Mexico ?




A Residente Temporal card should be good for at least a year and costs a lot more than $36 US.


YucaLandia


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Went to the Consulate office last week and I was told what papers were needed.
When I asked for an appointment I was told to call or stop back next week, so this week I went to the office.

I had wanted a Permanent Resident but after asking a few questions and when my last papers expired I was issued a Temporary Resident. It is valid for a single entry and 6 months, even with a mexican spouse they would not grant a Permanent Resident, a $36 dollar fee was charged.

How long does it take to issed ones laminated card or piece of paper once they visit their local office in Mexico ?




4 weeks to 9 weeks, depending on the roll of the dice.

The $36 USD is just the Consulate's (SRE) fee. He will still owe the INM (SEGOB) fees.

Did they tell you that by letting your previous permit expire, you need to complete 2 years on a Temporary Resident card before qualifying for Permanent Residence as the spouse of a Mexican?
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TedZar

Mar 15, 2013, 6:26 PM

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Another question if I may.

My wife will join me about 6-12 months after I come to Mexico. She has family things to deal with before arriving. I would like her to be a dependent on my residente permanente visa, just for ease of getting it done.

As a dependent though, will she be eligible for everything I would be eligible for in terms of eventual citizenship, health care etc?

I am just wondering it would be more beneficial for her to come in on her own residente permanente visa - or if she would benefit directly as a dependent on my visa?

Thank you!

TZ


La Isla


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Another question if I may.

My wife will join me about 6-12 months after I come to Mexico. She has family things to deal with before arriving. I would like her to be a dependent on my residente permanente visa, just for ease of getting it done.

As a dependent though, will she be eligible for everything I would be eligible for in terms of eventual citizenship, health care etc?

I am just wondering it would be more beneficial for her to come in on her own residente permanente visa - or if she would benefit directly as a dependent on my visa?

Thank you!

TZ


I can't answer your question, sorry. Once you're here and go to your local INM office to finalize your RP visa, just ask the person helping you which option would make more sense.


TedZar

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My question was to the board in general hoping perhaps that Rolly or Steve might have an opinion on this.


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As a dependent though, will she be eligible for everything I would be eligible for in terms of eventual citizenship, health care etc?
Yes. The following from my website explains the it.
The Family Plan allows other members of a family to receive a Residente card without having to show financial means after the head of the family has met the financial requirement for him/herself.
It works like this: The head of the family secures a Residente card (Temporal or Permanente). The rest of the family enters with Visitants. Then each member fills out all the application paperwork, gets photos, passport copies, etc. Take all this to the INM and apply as a family. There will be more paperwork at the office.
Each person will have to pay the card fee. The family group plan only covers the financial requirement; after that each person is treated as an individual card holder.

Rolly Pirate


TedZar

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Thank you, sir!

TZ


CanGuy78


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I have a question I am sure someone can answer:

If I hold a Residente Temporal visa am I able to exit and re-enter the country? I understand I have to do something to register my exit with INM, can someone explain the restrictions or limitations of leaving and returning while holding a Temporary Resident visa?


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Yes I was told that my prior documents had expired, plus earlier I had an address change.
Besides my spouse all of my adult children dual nationals.

During my chat the the lawyer/consulate I mentioned that I want to keep US plated vehicles in Mexico.

The $36 was a fee charged at the consulate for consular services.


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Yes I was told that my prior documents had expired, plus earlier I had an address change.
During my chat the the lawyer/consulate I mentioned that I want to keep US plated vehicles in Mexico.

The $36 was a fee charged at the consulate for consular services.

You mentioned you wanted to keep a US plated car -- what did the lawyer/consulate say?


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Temporary Resident.
I did not ask any other questions. My previous paper work had already expired anyway.

The consulate that I spoke too is a lawyer, very nice person.
I had all the documents listed on the SRE website, remember to bring copies along with the originals.
When it came to bank statements, they saw the originals but the copies that I left had black sharpe on them and were copied another time.
My letter of employment from the states had the employers name, title, length of employment and salary on it.
They need your photo, plus will take another in the office as well as your finger prints.
Your local police department needs to notorize their statement.


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TedZar

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I have a question about adding my wife to my residente permanente visa, assuming it is approved. I am applying only for myself, questioning whether we could both meet the separate requirements and as the accounts under which I would qualify are in my name only.

From reading both Steve's and Rolly's websites it appears that the best way to add my wife would be to go to Mexico, do my initial INM paperwork,, get the residence card and then have my wife join me on a tourist visa - take her to INM and add her as a dependent on my visa.

Is my read of that procedure correct as the safest bet?


Rolly


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You have it right, except she will not be a dependent on your card. She will have her own stand-alone card.
The family group plan only covers the financial requirement; after that each person is treated as an individual card holder.

Rolly Pirate


TedZar

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Thank you, Rolly. Your help has been just super! It really reduces the stress of sorting it all out.


cindym

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Are you saying that the spouse with a mate on permanente can apply inside Mexico for permanente. No need to do it outside Mexico.


YucaLandia


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YucaLandia


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Four items from 30 minutes at INM Merida this AM for my first INM visit this year (Residente Permanente application):
1. INM formally accepted my application for Residente Permanente this morning, as a spouse of a Mexicana, residing in Mexico for the previous 2 years on an FM2/Inmigrante permit. They told me: "Congratulations: You will become a permanent resident of Mexico, with no problems."

2. INM agents confirmed that they are approving Residente Permanente applicants who have completed only 2 years on their current FM2/Inmigrante permit, as long as they can show that the applicant had an additional FM2 or FM3 for the 2 previous years, with no breaks during each permit -> for a total of 4 years between the 2 permits. This confirms other reports that some INM offices are allowing Permanent Resident applicants to aggregate years from multiple past INM permits to meet the Requisito of being an official/approved (FM2/FM3) resident of Mexico for the 4 previous years.

3. 30 minutes = 15 minutes in line, 10 minutes talking, 5 minutes waiting as they checked my documents.

4. 3 of the INM employees commented about how pleasant our 10 minute dialogue and 5 minutes of other interactions had been. I asked why they said this: The 3 of them explained that most of the Canadians and Americans who are applying for residency are ~ very demanding, ~ expect to have everything done "right now", ~ do not know the rules, ~ are grumpy and rude when they do not get what they want, ~ and are generally difficult to deal with.

How to do it well?
Research and know your options before you get there. Have your original documents and copies and cover letter ready to hand them. Act professionally and politely.
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on Mar 21, 2013, 12:12 PM)


Irishincolumbus

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I am married to a Mexicana and have the financial means for Residente Permanente - does anyone know if I can skip the two year marriage requirement and get Residente Permanente right away at the local INM office. Thanks in advance , James


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You can apply for a Residente Permanente without time on another visa form by meeting any one of these three financial requirements:
Submit documents proving one of the following assumptions:
Original and copy of proof of investments or bank accounts with average monthly equivalent to twenty-five thousand days of general minimum wage during the last twelve months. 25,000 x $64.76 = $1,619,000, about USD$125,000
or
Original and copy of written proof from a Notario confirming that you own real property,. or have trustee rights, with a value equal to forty thousand days of the minimum wage.
40,000 x $64.76= $2,590,400, about USD$200,000
or
Original and copies of documents showing that pension income has higher monthly equivalent of five hundred (500)days' wages current minimum wage for the past six months. 500 x $64.76 = $32,380, about USD$2500

Rolly Pirate


YucaLandia


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In theory, yes.

Our INM Merida office has been approving applicants with sufficient financial means to meet the Requisitos de Solvencia Fiscal for Residente Permanente, but there are foreigner's reports about other INM offices adding additional requirements. Check with your local office on how their requirements.
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Irishincolumbus

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Thanks Rolly and Steve for the quick reply.
We'll see what INM in Quretaro has to say. James


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It's welcomed and so refreshing to hear the sounds of these boards buzzing and busy with the uprising and more interests for tourism on Mexico's horizon. Such a pleasure today and hopefully more to come tomorrow that well squelch and recede cartel noise for a very, very long, long time. My complements and thanks to you and the old timers that have hung in there trying to keep the doors propped open and breaking the light on the ageless welcome mat on the other side of the door. Gracias!


YucaLandia


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Back to:Recent experiences in INM Offices

After checking my papers, letter, and IDs yesterday, and making a nice package of them, the INM clerk gave me an odd instruction: "Come back to this office by 7:00 AM tomorrow." I asked if I could just schedule a cita, and she replied: "No, come back tomorrow at 7:00 AM. " OK...???

??? (Why at 7:00, when the office opens at 9:00?)

I dutifully returned to our Merida INM office by 6:53, and there was already a substantial line. I marked my spot at the end of the line with my little nylon book bag, and went off to park my bike. (just past the head of the line - where people would watch it) I asked the young woman who was #1 what time she arrived: "Cuatro y media..." ... stunned, I replied: "En la madrugada?" Si...

#2 chimed-in: "Las cinco, para mi." grinning broadly...

I was a pitiful number 27.

I returned to my rightful place, to find that during the few minutes of chatting with the heads of the line, another 4 people had arrived. Fortunately, my new line-mate had reserved my spot. He was a pleasant middle aged Columbian man, and we passed the next 2 hours swapping stories. He had once built up and sold a work-clothes factory in Columbia, lost all his money in just 3 months in cold, dank, unfriendly London. He then moved to Atlanta as a valet parking attendant. He eventually wound up peddling over $100,000 of fone cards a month (the previous record had been $10,000), and he got a bonus of 4% on everything over $20,000 (because management never imagined it possible). He ultimately built-up with a chain of 17 shops that sell phone cards, do taxes for Hispanics, etc... Anyway, the time passed quickly, while renewing my faith that America really is the land of opportunity, (and that English business is only marginally capitalist or open to outsiders - *grin*)

At 8:45, an Aduana agent came down the line, passing out numbers.... maxing out at 30. (Over 55 people were in line by that point.) Apparently, the new Merida INM policy is that only the first 30 in line are assured of getting their applications processed that day, though they typically handle a total of the first 45 - 50 (as many just ask questions and go home, or get sent back home to get the proper documents).

I stood in line inside the INM property gates until 10:30, and was then quickly processed to go into a nice airconditioned waiting area. After sitting there for about 20 minutes, I was called in and had everything approved in just 10 more minutes.

They sent me away to get my wife's IFE card (copy was not sufficient), to pay the $1,000 peso fee for changing estancia to Permanent Resident and then return this morning. Again, they said: " Bienvenidos a Mexico !"

They finished by saying to come back in 10 calendar days for fingerprinting and final payment. They expect they will have my card in 4 to 5 weeks. ... all in all, a pleasant experience and a new friend gained.
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Mar 24, 2013, 5:32 AM

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I had previously posted here my experience getting a Residente Temporal card using the "Vinculo Familiar" law with this bit of misinformation the staff at the San Luis Potosi SEGOB INM office had told me 3 times on 3 different visits there during the process last Nov.. Dec. and early Jan.


I had some news at the INM on Fiday. It appears when I did a tramite from my last FMM inside Mexico to Residente Temporal using "Vinculo Familiar" last Nov. when they "told" me this visa card would come with the "permiso" to work in Mexico. Wrong!

I had to fill out another on line form callled "OBTENER PERMISO PARA TRABAJAR" in their "Formato para solicitar trámite de estancia" webpage. I needed to go to a bank with the payment form and pay $2350.00 pesos for it. 3 photos, Formato Basico and a letter from the employer offering a job. It took all day but just another bit of misinformation I got back in Nov. and Dec. They will issue a new card all identical except on the front it will state "Permiso para Trabajo" they said. Takes 1 month they said. Alan

The last line" No aplica" is headed " Permiso Para Trabajo" on this INM webpage giving all charateristics of visas Equiparación de calidades y características (Ley General de Población) en condiciones de estancia (Ley de Migración)" [XLS] Condición de estancia de extranjeros con una Calidadwww.inm.gob.mx/static/.../Estancia.../Matriz_de_Equiparacion_V2.xl...Haz hecho público que te gusta. DeshacerFormato de archivo: Microsoft Excel - Ver en versión HTML
1, Equiparación de calidades y características (Ley General de Población) en condiciones de estancia (Ley de Migración). 2, Seleccione la información que ...


Inmigrante - Familiar - No aplica - No aplica - Hasta 1 año --- Residente Temporal - No aplica


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Oscar2

Mar 26, 2013, 10:02 AM

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With the little green book I completed a 5 year FM3 stint, then 3 years ago a start over requirement followed with a credit card lamented size FM3. Portions of it reads: Calidad=No Inmigrante, Modalidad=Rentista-No Lucrativa, Prorroga 3.
I'm going on my 9th year and it sounds so good to hopefully get Residente Permanente. 6 of those first years was out of Guadalajara, the last 2 years out of Ensenada. 3 bank statements from Actinver as well as a substantial ongoing savings account recommendation from them always got my FM3.
Based on the information above, is it possible that out of the Ensenada INM, I now qualify for a Residente Permanente plus is it true that bank statements will not be required? If anyone from the Ensenada INM has had a recent successful experience there, your comments are welcomed. Thanks in advance.


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Mar 26, 2013, 11:27 AM

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If they acknowledge four years of your documented, continued residency, then they should not ask for any financial statements. See my, and others, earlier entries in this string. Good luck from TJ, Vic.


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Mar 26, 2013, 2:00 PM

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If they acknowledge four years of your documented, continued residency, then they should not ask for any financial statements. See my, and others, earlier entries in this string. Good luck from TJ, Vic.

Maybe not, but I had a 4 on the back of my FM3 and was required to go Permanante and had to supply 12 months of bank statements in Manzanillo.


S & C

Mar 26, 2013, 2:50 PM

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I previously posted info on my trip to INM in Playa Del Carmen, Q Roo.
They seem to always want more than other places I read about on this board. They also take a long time getting it done.
We started the process of getting our Residente Temporal on Feb 22. One month before our current FM 3 ran out.
I checked their internet site many times but never saw anything other than they started the process. We went to the office again on Monday. March 25. Stood in line for 40 minutes and asked about our papers. The lady looked it up on the site, saw nothing and told us it is taking 1 1/2 months to finalize things in their office.
I told her I am flying back in mid April and she just said to come in 4 days before to get a letter allowing me to leave. (I would hope my stuff was done well before mid April).
Since I am not returning to Mexico for several months I then asked if my wife could pick up my card if it comes in before she goes back to the US. Only if she has power of attorney.

Nothing is easy in this area....
Stan


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Mar 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

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Thanks Vic.

After reading what I guess we can call the initial efforts and results being posted, it still is somewhat of a maze and yes, collectively each INM office seems to have its own way with you.....Si. I'm saying luckily, since my next appearance at the INM office isn't till November I'll be looking to see if Residente Permanente (RP) posts become a little more user friendly especially in Ensenada. Although Mex Connect is one of the most informative forums around, is there other forum which is active in these kind of discussions on the Baja side. My Googling hasn't been that successful.
I'm not sure yet, nor have I seen any posts in reference to it, but if you reside in Ensenada with an RP, is it permissible to drive/own a California licensed vehicle because it falls within what I think they call a Free Zone?


YucaLandia


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Baja Nomad http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1

Things are a bit different there. Current hot topics include: Lost Dog in Mulege - help requested
and Preserving the catch. Pressure canning on the road.
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Oscar2

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Thanks Steve,

True, I've already tried Bajanomad and yes, the info like you mentioned, is different. Unlike the stellar technical warehouse here on MC. I guess that is why many of us hang around for years and feed it's spirit like an old friend or a faithful old pet.
I'll keep my eyes and ears open, I'm sure something will pop-up eventually. If anyone out there gets wind of some favorable Ensenada RP news and/or a positive offshoot about possessing a State side licensed car and having a RP in the Baja Free Zone unfettered with complications, this would definitely make my day as well as others.


TedZar

Mar 27, 2013, 4:42 PM

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My sincere thanks to Rolly and Steve for your guidance and the good advice on both your websites. I just picked up my "residencia permanente" visa yesterday. The application process was painless, the documentation thorough and detailed, and the embassy staff, friendly and helpful. If I find myself in the same room with either or both of you, the rounds are on me.

Couldn't have done it without the help of everyone here. Gracias!

TedZar


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DITTO!


TedZar

Mar 29, 2013, 11:15 PM

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A follow up question if I may. Most references here about residente permanente (RP) status have to do with people already in Mexico on an FM something or other switching over to RP.

I will arrive with the RP visa in my passport and will need to report to INM as a total newbie on the scene. What will I need to provide to INM at that point to obtain my residency card and get myself 100% legal and straight with the authorities? Is there something somewhere I can read on that?

Thanks!

TedZar


YucaLandia


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Though we have not done this, here's our best stab. Bring:
1. A letter addressed to your INM office’s delegado requesting the Residente Permanente INM permit/card you want, explaining that you have been approved by the Consulado Mexicano de ______ . We double space the text in the body of the letter, to allow cross-outs and easy hand-written insertions of corrected items.

2. Your passport and copies of the first key pages of your passport,

3. Your comprobante, (and a copy), (Telmex, JAPAY - Merida's water agency, or CFE etc bill) to prove your address (or renters can bring a letter from your landlord).

4. The visa (and any documents) given to you by the Consulate.

At some point you will need to bring in ID fotos:
5. Infantil sized fotos, hair off face, no jewelry, ear uncovered (especially for the right profile): 2 front, 2 right profile.

6. Possibly bring the $3,800 in pesos to pay for the permit. This is paid to a bank, but there are times when the INM office is ready for you to move right through the process. If so, INM can give you a payment document that you take directly to a bank and pay your $3,800 peso permit, and then bring the bank's proof-of-payment receipt back to the INM office. Our INM office closes to applicants at 1:00 PM, but they allow us to pop-back-in ~ jump past all the lines ~ and give your proof of payment receipt to the INM agent handling your claim, even after the 1:00 closing. This payment is made when they believe you have met the qualifications: Since you have already been pre-qualified by the Consulate, they may be ready to accept your payment.

These suggestions are just a starting point, and I hope that someone who had done this recently will propose additions or deletions based on their experience.
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nomore

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We just did this in January and to be honest I would recommend shying away from any single list such as that provided above. I think the process varies from place to place / even from INM employee to INM employee. We were not asked for some of the items mentioned in this list and there were other items we needed.

We made a trip to Mexico a month prior to our immigration and we stopped in at INM, introduced ourselves and asked what to expect. At that time the girl was emphatic that we have the 'change' box checked on the 30 day tourist visa we received at the border. I suspect this is the green light for the INM process.

When you go to INM for the first time expect to begin a scavenger hunt. Look upon it as a game, a challenge. Pay attention to what originals are required as well as the number of copies you will need.

Don't wait to present yourself at the INM office. I suggest go there within the first few days you are in Mexico.

Get a cellphone with a Mexican number so you can be reached. You will also want the phone to schedule utilities etc. You will also want access to the internet so you can check the progress of your immigration.

We had a Mexican checking account set up at HSBC prior to our arrival. You can do that without being in Mexico.

Look upon whatever advice you get on the internet as general guidance rather than rules. Do your own homework. Be patient and friendly.


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You will probably be asked to fill out a coupe of online forms. Learn about them here.

Rolly Pirate


YucaLandia


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Hey Rolly,
Here comes a big surprise: INM has changed the web address for checking progress on active applications: http://www.inm.gob.mx/...guimiento_de_tramite ~ http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Seguimiento_de_tramite
so, the old address we used is just another busted link. *grin*

~ Fecha . . . ~ . . . Estatus Trámite . . . ~ . . . Ubicación . . .
22/03/2013 ~ El trámite ha sido registrado ~ Delegación Federal en Yucatán

22/03/2013 ~ El tramite ha sido asignado ~ Delegación Federal en Yucatán

Regardless of what's posted on the INM website, they said to come back in 10 days (after the first official registration day).
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TedZar

Mar 30, 2013, 4:26 PM

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Thanks Steve, Rollie and Chuck.

I understand the variability involved with different offices - I've lived abroad since 1989. Just the general structure of what might be needed was what I wanted to know and thank you, Steve and Rollie, for those items.

A couple questions based on the above comments if I may.

1. The embassy gave me no paperwork at all, just the visa pasted into my passport. Should there have been anything else?

2. Will I need to re-prove the financial requirements? I gave the embassy about one inch of paperwork and they kept the originals and copies!

3. I had planned to rent something just temporary, so I would have some time to look for a house to purchase. Is it okay - for this part of the process to just be in a rental house for a short term?

Thanks again for your guidance and I fully understand that nothing is 100% certain - about anything in life!


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Thanks Steve, Rollie and Chuck.

I understand the variability involved with different offices - I've lived abroad since 1989. Just the general structure of what might be needed was what I wanted to know and thank you, Steve and Rollie, for those items.

A couple questions based on the above comments if I may.

1. The embassy gave me no paperwork at all, just the visa pasted into my passport. Should there have been anything else?

2. Will I need to re-prove the financial requirements? I gave the embassy about one inch of paperwork and they kept the originals and copies!

3. I had planned to rent something just temporary, so I would have some time to look for a house to purchase. Is it okay - for this part of the process to just be in a rental house for a short term?

Thanks again for your guidance and I fully understand that nothing is 100% certain - about anything in life!


1. The visa in your passport is sufficient.

2. You should not have to re-prove financials. INM offices fortunately return original documents after they verify the copies and initial them.

3. Any comprabante from the rental is fine, just to provide INM an official address for you.
3.a. If or when you change addresses in Mexico, notify INM in writing.

Enjoy your travels !
steve
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Mar 30, 2013, 5:11 PM

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Thank you, Steve!

TZ


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I was at the SEGOB INM today to get fingerprinted and signed in the box for the new Residente Temporal card with a 1 year Permiso de Trabajo. They said it should arrive in about 2 weeks.

They had taken my 2 year Residente Temporal card away from me to do this tramite. Does that mean in 1 year I have to go back in and pay another $2,350.00 pesos for another 1 year tramited Residente Temporal that I got on the Vinculo Familiar law? Alan


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Rolly


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The family plan only exempts you from showing bank statements to get your first Residente After that, you are treated just like everyone else.

Rolly Pirate


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The family plan only exempts you from showing bank statements to get your first Residente After that, you are treated just like everyone else.


The immigration laws implemented in November, 2012 stated that a first-time applicant for a Residente Temporal visa had a choice of getting a 1-year, 2-year, 3-year, or 4-year visa (paperwork to be started at the home country’s Mexican consulate). That rule has changed this last month it appears: only a 1-year Residente Temporal visa is now possible when first applying for it. When renewing after the first year, however, visa holders then have a choice of a 1-year, 2-year, or 3-year renewal for a total of 4 years possible (and without having to return to the home country’s Mexican consulate).

For current holders of the old FM2 and FM3 visas who are ready to renew, the time accrued on those visas does count toward the 4 year total for the Residente Temporal visa. For example, if someone already has had an FM3 visa for 1 year, and the visa is up for renewal, a Residente Temporal visa can be issued for either 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years. No financial reporting is needed for these renewals.


Can this be confirmed?

According to this PDF it has changed: "Equiparación de calidades y características (Ley General de Población) en condiciones de estancia (Ley de Migración)"

http://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=equiparaci%C3%B3n%20de%20calidades%20y%20caracter%C3%ADsticas%20(ley%20general%20de%20poblaci%C3%B3n)%20en%20condiciones%20de%20estancia%20(ley%20de%20migraci%C3%B3n)&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inm.gob.mx%2Fstatic%2FTramites_LM%2FEstancia_LM%2FMatriz_de_Equiparacion_V2.xlsx&ei=7QBPUZCnJ4WryQGyxIGACg&usg=AFQjCNHEgIQAka4Nix7qmVg_fGwdIVE4rA&bvm=bv.44158598,d.aWM

Alan


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I am seriously thinking of returning to a Residente Temporal from a FM2 with 2 refrendos due to the cost of going Permanente and the car Tip situation. What does the law say about doing this and then maybe next year or two returning to Permanente? What other problems might I create?


jackak10

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I am seriously thinking of returning to a Residente Temporal from a FM2 with 2 refrendos due to the cost of going Permanente and the car Tip situation. What does the law say about doing this and then maybe next year or two returning to Permanente? What other problems might I create?

Can you flip-flop back and forth like that?


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I don't know. That's why I posted the item.


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Sorry, it was meant as a general question for the group. It's early and my little pea brain needs time.


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I can attenst to this change. After thorough research, I understood that if I met the Permanente income requirements (non-pension/retirement), I could apply. At the Consulate in Dallas, Texas, I was told I could NOT apply for Permanente unless I was retired or received a pension meeting the qualifications. Additionally, as it was my first time applying, I was informed I could only receive a one year temporary visa.

I completed all the paperwork, provided a infantile photo, had another photo taken there, was fingerprinted, and paid the one year fee. I was told, if approved, my visa would be ready for pickup in two days. I would be given further instructions then.

So, does anyone have any advice? I really thought I was going in getting a Permanente Residente visa. My second plan was to pay for the 4 year Temporary, if the Permanente was not feesible. Now, I walk out with a possible temporary visa. I really wanted the Permanent so I could get all this settled now without a yearly process.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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I am seriously thinking of returning to a Residente Temporal from a FM2 with 2 refrendos due to the cost of going Permanente and the car Tip situation. What does the law say about doing this and then maybe next year or two returning to Permanente? What other problems might I create?


Sounds like you have one more year to go on a Temporal before going permanent. Going perrmanente is not expensive but nationalizing your car will be

Sparks Mexico Blog - Sparks Costalegre


travelerjjm

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I am now confused. If I have the income or account balance can I not apply directly for Permanente? How does one prove he or she is "retired"?


YucaLandia


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The family plan only exempts you from showing bank statements to get your first Residente After that, you are treated just like everyone else.


The immigration laws implemented in November, 2012 stated that a first-time applicant for a Residente Temporal visa had a choice of getting a 1-year, 2-year, 3-year, or 4-year visa (paperwork to be started at the home country’s Mexican consulate). That rule has changed this last month it appears: only a 1-year Residente Temporal visa is now possible when first applying for it. When renewing after the first year, however, visa holders then have a choice of a 1-year, 2-year, or 3-year renewal for a total of 4 years possible (and without having to return to the home country’s Mexican consulate).

For current holders of the old FM2 and FM3 visas who are ready to renew, the time accrued on those visas does count toward the 4 year total for the Residente Temporal visa. For example, if someone already has had an FM3 visa for 1 year, and the visa is up for renewal, a Residente Temporal visa can be issued for either 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years. No financial reporting is needed for these renewals.


Can this be confirmed?

According to this PDF it has changed: "Equiparación de calidades y características (Ley General de Población) en condiciones de estancia (Ley de Migración)"

http://www.google.com.mx/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=equiparaci%C3%B3n%20de%20calidades%20y%20caracter%C3%ADsticas%20(ley%20general%20de%20poblaci%C3%B3n)%20en%20condiciones%20de%20estancia%20(ley%20de%20migraci%C3%B3n)&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inm.gob.mx%2Fstatic%2FTramites_LM%2FEstancia_LM%2FMatriz_de_Equiparacion_V2.xlsx&ei=7QBPUZCnJ4WryQGyxIGACg&usg=AFQjCNHEgIQAka4Nix7qmVg_fGwdIVE4rA&bvm=bv.44158598,d.aWM

Alan


Hi Alan,
Our Merida INM office agents clearly confirm that time accrued on those visas does count toward the 4 year total for the Residente Temporal visa.

Why? This fits with the policy of having people apply for renewals/renovations/extensions (pick your Spanish verb) of their current FM2/FM3 permits. By applying for a renewal/extensions of their current permits, they only pay for the extension of the permit - no payment for changing status or for a new permit, and the applicants do not have to leave Mexico and go to a Consulate.

If a typical applicant wants the full 4 years, they have to abandon/surrender their current FM2/FM3, surrender any TIP for foreign-plated cars, and go to a Mexican Consulate in their home country (or country where they have a valid visa) to apply for a fresh Residente Temporal card.
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I am seriously thinking of returning to a Residente Temporal from a FM2 with 2 refrendos due to the cost of going Permanente and the car Tip situation. What does the law say about doing this and then maybe next year or two returning to Permanente? What other problems might I create?


Since the Residente Temporal is an extension/renewal of your current FM2. why say that you are considering " returning to a Residente Temporal " ? Did you already apply-for or get a Residente Permanente?

What INM permit/card do you currently have?

If you have the FM2, then continue with your existing card/permit, renewing it as a Residente Temporal - paying for 1 or 2 years. Then after 2 years, you can decide what you want to do. Maybe you will have permanently imported your TIP car in the meantime.
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I am now confused. If I have the income or account balance can I not apply directly for Permanente? How does one prove he or she is "retired"?


Many Mexican Consulates in Canada and the USA are approving Residente Permanente applications to come to Mexico to continue with their local INM offices based on sufficient average annual savings balances. When applicants use monthly income deposits, things become dicy-er. Some Consulates are allowing using monthly income deposits to a bank account (which fits the language in part of the Requisitos), but if you read the text of Articulo 44 of the Lineamientos, and focus on the header information of the Requisitos sections, the rules clearly specify
"En el caso de pensionados o jubilados deberán presentar: ..."

So, if the Consulate wants to apply the letter of the Law, it is what it is...


There is an alternate route for qualifying using the yet-to-be-formally-issued Points System, where you are not specifying that you are a pensioner or retiree:

"...En caso de sistema de puntos, deberá presentar los documentos que acrediten los indicadores y puntaje mínimo requeridos conforme al acuerdo que al efecto se publique en el Diario Oficial de la Federación; ..."

Some Consulates are using their own informal DIY points systems, where they include a combination of factors: Monthly Income/Pension Deposits, Average Annual Account Balance, Property Ownership, unique beneficial professional skills you can offer to Mexico (like editing professional journals, scientific or engineering consulting, public health consulting) etc...

The Mexican Consulate in Dallas seem to be taking the hard-line on the Pensionado/Jubilado issue, now.
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I am now confused. If I have the income or account balance can I not apply directly for Permanente? How does one prove he or she is "retired"?


"... Ker-plunk ..."

That's the sound of a fresh turnip dropped into the soup:

Consider SRE's official guidance on this: http://consulmex.sre.gob.mx/.../residencia-temporal

Visa de residencia temporal


Los siguientes requisitos son necesarios para solicitar una visa consular para poder ingresar México con fines de establecer su residencia temporal en el país. Este tipo de visa es aplicable a personas extranjeras que pretenden internarse a México en la condición de residente temporal con el objeto de permanecer por un tiempo mayor a 180 días y no mayor a 4 años.
Requisitos:
I. Pasaporte o documento de identidad y viaje válido y vigente, en original y copia.
II. Una fotografía con el rostro visible y sin anteojos, a color, tamaño pasaporte, cuyas medidas deberán ser como mínimo de 32.0 milímetros x 26 milímetros y como máximo de 39.0 milímetros x 31.0 milímetros, con fondo blanco y de frente.
III. Original y copia del documento que acredite su legal estancia, si la persona extranjera no es nacional del país donde solicita la visa.
IV. Presentar los documentos que acrediten alguno de los siguientes supuestos:
1. Solvencia económica:
a) Original y copia de comprobante de inversiones o cuentas bancarias con saldo promedio mensual equivalente a veinte mil días de salario mínimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal, durante los últimos doce meses; o
b) Original y copia de los documentos que demuestren que cuenta con empleo o pensión con ingresos mensuales libres de gravámenes mayores al equivalente de cuatrocientos días de salario mínimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal, durante los últimos seis meses.

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A quick reading of this full text of the SRE website's official instructions to their Consulates and Residente Temporal applicants, conspicuously have NO references NOR requirements that the Residente Permanente applicant be a pensioner or retiree....

Will pointing out this reference to a Consular official get them to accept monthly salary deposits as sufficient to prove individual fiscal solvency?

The key phrases of "... cuenta con empleo o pensión con ingresos mensuales .." clearly describes deposits from employment as sufficient qualification...

So far, reality and actual policies have varied from Consulate to Consulate (where Dallas is implementing a retiree-only policy and Chicago has set no requirement for retirement or receiving a pension).
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The terminology is getting me confused. I currently hold a FM2 with Refrendo 2. I have gone online to apply for Residente Permanente via the website with a note that I have been married to Mexican women since 1999. My marriage license was register with INM several years ago, so I believe I qualify. I have not had an answer to my online application (Formato Basico). I do have a copy of my application and my number and password. During my last trip to the Guadalajara INM before their Easter recess, I was told to apply for Residente Permanente por Jubilacion, but after reading on the INM wesite, I find financial requirements (letters from Banks or Statements) that I don't have here in Mexico, so I figured it would be easier to continue with my FM2(Residente Temporal. My car is an old 1996 Dodge Neon that runs so-so. I don't think I would like to take it to either Belize or the northern border and I am running short of time. Vencimiento es 12/04/2013. Ideas will be appreciated.


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FM2 and FM3 are the same now (Temporal) and with a Refrendo 2 (year 3) you have one more year to go without going the marriage route. I would go to INM without anything further in between and ask for a Temporal

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The terminology is getting me confused. I currently hold a FM2 with Refrendo 2. I have gone online to apply for Residente Permanente via the website with a note that I have been married to Mexican women since 1999. My marriage license was register with INM several years ago, so I believe I qualify. I have not had an answer to my online application (Formato Basico). I do have a copy of my application and my number and password. During my last trip to the Guadalajara INM before their Easter recess, I was told to apply for Residente Permanente por Jubilacion, but after reading on the INM wesite, I find financial requirements (letters from Banks or Statements) that I don't have here in Mexico, so I figured it would be easier to continue with my FM2(Residente Temporal. My car is an old 1996 Dodge Neon that runs so-so. I don't think I would like to take it to either Belize or the northern border and I am running short of time. Vencimiento es 12/04/2013. Ideas will be appreciated.


I currently hold a FM2 with Refrendo 2.
My FM2/Inmigrante card had "Refrendo 2" for completing 2 years. I am also married to a Mexicana for 10 years (US marriage license), but our Registro Civil de Yucatán (State Registrar's Office for Yucatan) rejected our US marriage, so, we had a civil service here, conducted by our Registro Civil. The Caracteristica on my FM2 card was "Familiar".

If INM accepts your Residente Permanente application as a family member, then you can get your Residente Permanente now, as the spouse of a Mexican citizen, completing 2 years of an FM2/Inmigrante-Familiar.

In cases where our State Registro Civil has not approved a US or Canadian marriage license, INM has accepted a substitute: the combination of a letter from you wife, certifying that you are her husband and that she accepts responsibility for you - and - 2 letters from Mexican citizens who certify that you and she live as husband and wife, attesting to your good character.


I have gone online to apply for Residente Permanente via the website with a note that I have been married to Mexican women since 1999. ... I have not had an answer to my online application (Formato Basico).
It is not clear from this description whether you have gone into your local INM office this year, and formally applied for your Residente Permanente . If you have successfully started your application with your local INM office, you will have 5 numbers: your NUE of your existing FM2, your NUT and its clave, your Pieza number and its contraseña.

Use the Pieza number and its contraseña to log onto the INM website to check the status of your application: http://www.inm.gob.mx/...guimiento_de_tramite

If you successfully applied, you should see something like:

~ Fecha . . . ~ . . . Estatus Trámite . . . ~ . . . Ubicación . . .

22/03/2013 ~ El trámite ha sido registrado ~ Delegación Federal en Yucatán

22/03/2013 ~ El tramite ha sido asignado ~ Delegación Federal en Yucatán

If you do not see these things, then you have not yet officially started your application, and you can go into your INM office, and choose either 2 more years of Residente Temporal or apply for Residente Permanente.
steve

Post Script: These things are described at: New Rules and Procedures for Immigration, Visiting, and Staying in Mexico
and New Immigration Law Published for Mexico
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From the INM website where we use our Pieza Number to check our status:
http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Seguimiento_de_tramite

Los estatus del trámite son los siguientes:


... ~... Fecha... ~... Estatus Trámite... ~... ... ~... Ubicación

22/03/2013... ~... El trámite ha sido registrado... ~... Delegación Federal en Yucatán

22/03/2013... ~... El tramite ha sido asignado... ~... Delegación Federal en Yucatán

01/04/2013... ~... El trámite ha sido clasificado... ~... Delegación Federal en Yucatán


Based on the INM agent's prior instructions to return in 10 days and based on the April 1'st internet update, I went into the Merida INM office at 10:30 AM, waited in an 8 person "Information" line about 20 minutes, was told everything is fine with my Residente Permante. They asked what time I wanted for an appointment to return on April 23 to give them fotos and get fingerprinted. I asked if I would pay the remaining $3,800 fee at that visit, and they repiied: "Si". Easy peasy.
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I have posted a few times about my current experience with INM in Playa del Carmen, Q Roo.
What a place to do business!!!
Short story, Present papers for permenant status 30 days before papers expire.
Told I couldn't go permanent because I was just finishing the 1st year of my SECOND FM3. (told old years don't count).
I apply for residente temporal but a 3 year version so I wouldn't have to do this BS every time.
30 days later, still nothing so we drive 40 miles to check it out. Were then told it has been taking a month and a half. She also said they do it all here at the office so it doesn't have to goto Mexico city.
12 days later I see where the internet tells us to appear. We went there yeterday, waited in line for 40 minutes and were told OK we will set up an appointment for tomorrow at 9:30. (great that means I drove 80 miles round trip to be told to come back tomorrow). Why not allow for a phone call or email to set up the appointment?
Today we go in and sign some papers and get fingerprinted and he says ok that's it, Now it goes to mexico city and will be back in maybe 3 weeks or so.
To check, they want you to come to the office to see if your name is posted on the bulletin board. Again 80 miles round trip!
I am to leave the country in 2 weeks so either I change airlines and medical stuff in the US, or go through what ever they want me to go thru to get permission to leave.
I left the office not really understanding what I will need to do but I think I have to give them a letter allowing my wife to pick up my card whenever they come in, which is hopefully before she has to leave Mexico. something was also mentioned about needing my passport, photos and a payment oto a bank to get my permission to leave letter. Plus I would have to apply for it and then return in 2 days to pick it up.
This whole process is so rediculously inefficient, that it makes no sense.
I will have made 6 or 7 trips over 2 months to get the visa.
Is it only this way in Playa del Carmen or is it just made difficult for those that try doing it on their own rather than hire an attorney to do it?
Man am I disgusted with it all...
Stan


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I was wondering if anyone is experiencing long delays in getting your visa processed? Ours expired on March 17th. We began the "renewal" process on February 19 (Of course we got cut short a couple days in February.)

We didn't see any way that we could qualify financially for the permanent residence visa, but when we applied to renew our temporary residence visa, we were told that not only we did qualify, but that we must apply for permanent residence. (We moved here in March, 2003 and have had the "FM3" status continuously--proper renewal or "rebeginning" each year as mandated.)

We had just bought a 2009 VW Routan minivan in January since by all indications we wouldn't qualify for permanent residence. Once we were in the process of applying for the permanent residence, we knew we couldn't keep that car (after exploring every possibility we could find), so we returned it to the U.S. (got our $400+ back from Banjercito) and left if with John's brother to sell. Fortunately a good friend loaned us a car as our pickup is also illegal now that we don't have the temporary resident visa. Now we're looking for a good fit for us in a Mexican car. We've been pleased in our shopping to find that many more low-mileage cars are available here than in the U.S. and prices are comparable or better.

It's all been a wild experience (we did get our Mexican drivers licenses) while jumping through all the other hoops. :)


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I applied for my Permanente in Dec and got it in March. I'm still driving my Texas plated 2001 Ford because as of now there are no laws written that say it is illegal to do so.


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I applied for my Permanente in Dec and got it in March. I'm still driving my Texas plated 2001 Ford because as of now there are no laws written that say it is illegal to do so.



But did you go to ADUANA with your new immigration status yet and if you did what did they say? There are conflicting stories from different ADUANA officials in various areas. Some say get a secure return and get your vehicle to the border ASAP. Alan


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Yes, we went to the Aduana here in Aguascalientes. (Incidentally, it used to be located just a couple miles from our house. Now, they have a brand new large facilities way at the opposite end of the city--and way out in the "boonies".) They were very kind, and about as frustrated as we were at the lack of communication between customs and immigration here, but there was no doubt that we could not legally retain a foreign vehicle here while holding a permanent resident visa.


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Here, lakeside, we are told that there are no laws that apply to the new terminology. Therefore until the new law does, you are not in violation of anything. And that once the law changes they state that the changes must be completed at some future date, or after so many days, or.

Me, I'm just following the advice of my facilitator and am sitting back relaxing and based upon what the new laws will be, I will react at that time. Oh my car is 13 years old and it doesn't really matter what the new rules will be. The value of my car is most likely less than the cost of nationalizing my highly dented Ford Explorer Sport.


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Here, lakeside, we are told that there are no laws that apply to the new terminology. Therefore until the new law does, you are not in violation of anything. And that once the law changes they state that the changes must be completed at some future date, or after so many days, or.

Me, I'm just following the advice of my facilitator and am sitting back relaxing and based upon what the new laws will be, I will react at that time. Oh my car is 13 years old and it doesn't really matter what the new rules will be. The value of my car is most likely less than the cost of nationalizing my highly dented Ford Explorer Sport.

I assume your facilitator is an attorney with a lot of knowledge along these lines. Our feeling around here is, your TIP is tied to your FM3 and if you don't have an FM3 anymore the car is not tied to anything. Therefore, illegal.

I would love to know different. I've been driving my little car around here for four years and would love to continue, but like your car it's older and not worth a trip to the border, etc.


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I brought the car in Texas in the fall of 2000 and immediately brought it into Mexico on a 3 year old FM 3. Later I got an FM-2 which I canceled a few years later and have had several FM 3s Until I got my latest Residente Permanente.

The car was linked with my first FM 3 and the passport that I had in 2000 and has not been out of the country since. I don't even know what a TIP is.

When I brought my car in it was tied to a now expired credit card. I never was charged a fee.

And yes several attorneys have recommended the same on another forum here along the shores of Lake Chapala


YucaLandia


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The point is moot for Johanson's car: Since he did not formally notify Aduana/Banjercito in writing that his TIP information had to be updated for the cancellation of the first FM3, nor did he notify Aduana/Banjercito that he changed status from FM3 to FM2, the car has been illegal since those events....

Too funny ~ as ignorance really can be bliss!

Sleep well guys,
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Maybe we are all ignorant here. But I know of very few people lakeside who came with their cars more than five years ago who annually update their cars with immigration unless they leave and return to the Mexico. In fact our attorneys tell us to carry article 106 with us which says that as long is our immigration status (FM-2 or 3) is up to date, that we are legal, even if it's our second third or 4th new FM-2 or 3). Now many folks lakeside update their US plates every year, but many have not since they brought their cars in permanently be it 5, 10, or 15 years ago.

Me, I need a new or newer car anyway. So I will buy one locally within the year even if we are not required to get Mexican plated cars now that we are Permanentes.

Am I an expert at interpreting the rules? NO. I shout :) I simply follow what the experts here along the shores of Lake Chapala tell us. And I have had no trouble.


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With respect to you and others happily driving an illegal vehicle in Mexico, am happy for you and the others if you have not run into fines or had your car confiscated. And further, happily your plans contemplate purchase of a Mexican state-plated vehicle, and your deposit was linked to an expired credit card.

Your attorneys down there -- have they really talked to Aduana officials or Benjercito regarding temporary import permits (TIPs) for cars etc. and the need, since a few years ago, to ask for annual extensions based on your current non-permanent immigration status?

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I can not speak for the attorneys who have posted on line or the attorney I spoke to. I only know that many many folks who came here in the 1990s and 2000s who followed the laws when they entered the country and who have not taken their cars back over the border, had no idea they had to register with whomever each year. We were simply told that if we did leave the country with our cars, that we should report same to the Mexican Government as we left and have the import sticker removed from our cars and to reverse the process when we re-entered. Oh and never was any money charged to the credit card even after 5 or more years.

Apparently there is a new procedure whereby cars brought in these days include a large deposit. I was told we were "Grandfather claused in" what ever that means and therefore did not have to start registering our cars every year. There are sure a lot of folks who aren't registering their older US/CA plated cars here, because no one ever told us we had to.

What we believe is that soon the laws will change to include the new legal term Residente Permanente. And when it does we will have to take the appropriate action. There are even rumors suggesting that we will be grandfathered in and will not have to either get rid of our foreign plated cars or nationalize them.

My attorney, simply said, relax, sit back and wait for the laws to change or as you plan to do, go ahead and get the Mexican plated car you were planning to get anyway.


YucaLandia


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Hey Pete,
There are old-timers who have temporary import permits from before June 2010, who may not have to notify Aduana annually**, but they are still required to notify Aduana of changes in INM permit status, and they must also not allow their INM permits to lapse. These 2 specific legal issues are what I wrote about in your case, that make your Aduana permit invalid.

**For old-timers with old TIPs who may want to permanently import their cars, without going to a border, may find that their Aduana office (like Progreso) rejects any future applications for permanently importing inside Mexico, because they cannot prove that they kept their TIP permit continuously valid. If you have even just a 2012 annual renewal letter, Aduana considers that single letter as sufficient proof of maintaining a valid permit. This alone makes getting the free letter worthwhile for many prudent folk.

Continue having a GREAT time driving your car!
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Obviously, Pete, your approach would be the right one and will be if this business in Mazatlan is stopped and doesn't spread to other Aduana offices.

However, what if it does? I'm in the process of getting a Permanente so I can import my car. There will be about a month window between the time I get the Permanente, needed for the import, and when I get the Pedimento. Am I going to have to hide my car from these aduana jokers?

These people need to get their act together.


YucaLandia


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Obviously, Pete, your approach would be the right one and will be if this business in Mazatlan is stopped and doesn't spread to other Aduana offices.

However, what if it does? I'm in the process of getting a Permanente so I can import my car. There will be about a month window between the time I get the Permanente, needed for the import, and when I get the Pedimento. Am I going to have to hide my car from these aduana jokers?

These people need to get their act together.


Why can't you import your car now?

Various customs brokers are happy to legally permanently import cars for No Inmigrante (FM2) and Inmigrante (FM3) permit holders. Many non-border customs brokers insist that they only handle permanent imports for people with No Inmigrante (FM2) and Inmigrante (FM3) and with still valid TIPs.

Do I misunderstand?
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Steve, I am going to have to import this car under the Tio Corp Amparo deal with the importer in Juarez because it is a "J" car and hence not importable under the usual rules. He is requiring a Permanente or FM2. I don't have the latter, I have an FM3 which won't work for this particular deal.


johanson


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In my case I continue looking for a new car. Sadly I just learned that the 2013 RAV4 doesn't come with a 4 wheel drive option, in Mexico. I just learned on line that the Honda CR-V does, but only with the luxury model. And I do need 4 wheel Drive, where I live.

One local attorney for a charge of $300 pesos will register (has registered) some of our cars with the local Guadalajara (near airport) aduana office. Why? So that when a law is passed that speaks about Permanente status, we will know what we need to do. (Apparently we are Permanentes, not Inmigrantes. And apparently there is a difference) In my case, when it's time to get rid of my low value US car, I will probably simply give it to Aduana, an option I understand that I have.


YucaLandia


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In my case I continue looking for a new car. Sadly I just learned that the 2013 RAV4 doesn't come with a 4 wheel drive option, in Mexico. I just learned on line that the Honda CR-V does, but only with the luxury model. And I do need 4 wheel Drive, where I live.

One local attorney for a charge of $300 pesos will register (has registered) some of our cars with the local Guadalajara (near airport) aduana office. Why? So that when a law is passed that speaks about Permanente status, we will know what we need to do. (Apparently we are Permanentes, not Inmigrantes. And apparently there is a difference) In my case, when it's time to get rid of my low value US car, I will probably simply give it to Aduana, an option I understand that I have.


Apparently we are Permanentes, not Inmigrantes. And apparently there is a difference
The difference has been spelled our since May 2011, as Ric Hoffman fondly points to the Transitorios.


when it's time to get rid of my low value US car, I will probably simply give it to Aduana, an option I understand that I have.
This program exists on paper, but possibly not at all in reality. Our local Aduana Progreso office has not been accepting donated vehicles.

Aduana officials are accepting certified letters from a Notario, having a mecanico or dehuesodero sign and certify that the vehicle is junk/scrap metal (chatarra), that it does not work (no sirve), and that it will never be driven again (nunca será conducido(?).

As a result of Aduana's actual practices, one friend of ours just had his functioning motor-home/converted-school-bus cut up for scrap and parted-out, and he had his letter accepted by Aduana, and they cleared his permit.
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agora-phobic

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Just got fingerprinted and paid the $3,8** peso bill for my Residente Permanente permit this morning in Merida. INM said that the INM web-site notification process is not working well. They took my phone number and said they will call and also send me an email in 10 - 15 days when the RP card is ready.


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INM GUADALAJARA TOOK ALL DOCUMENTS, PHOTOS, AND FINGERPRINTS ON APRIL 15th. TOLD ME TO CALL THEM IN 20 DAYS. I APPLIED FOR PERMISO A SALIR Y REGRESAR YESTERDAY AS I HAVE A FLIGHT TO LAX TOMORROW. WHEN I RETURNED TODAY TO PICK UP PERMISO I WAS INFORMED MY "GREEN CARD" WAS READY, SO NOT NECESSARY THE PERMISO. 8 DAYS. MY 320 PESOS WAS NOT RETURNED.


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My appointment for fingerprinting/photos/payment for Residente Permanente at the Mérida office was April 3. I was told to expect a phone call or e-mail that the card is ready, in 10-15 days. No phone call or e-mail, so yesterday (April 22) I went to the office to check, and was able to pick up the card. I wasn't surprised, or even annoyed -- this is just a ''heads up'' that it would probably be worth going in in person if you haven't heard in 15 days. If you DO go in person, go between 12-1, which is when the office schedules the delivery of cards (in the Mérida office -- I'm sure that it is different in every office).

The whole process from application on February 23 to card pick up April 23... two months. But, I'm very happily looking forward to next year, WHEN I WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO MIGRACION!! I did have to sit in the waiting room about an hour until I was called for delivery of the card, but that was probably in part a function of having gone in on a Monday.


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La Isla


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Just got fingerprinted and paid the $3,8** peso bill for my Residente Permanente permit this morning in Merida. INM said that the INM web-site notification process is not working well. They took my phone number and said they will call and also send me an email in 10 - 15 days when the RP card is ready.


Yesterday I took care of Step #1 of the application process (paperwork and the payment of $1000 for a "cambio de condición de estancia") in Mexico City. I was asked to write my phone number and email on the basic application form, but I'm not really expecting a call and/or an email to let me know when it's time to come in for Step # 2. I hope they do it for you in Mérida!


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Just got fingerprinted and paid the $3,8** peso bill for my Residente Permanente permit this morning in Merida. INM said that the INM web-site notification process is not working well. They took my phone number and said they will call and also send me an email in 10 - 15 days when the RP card is ready.


Yesterday I took care of Step #1 of the application process (paperwork and the payment of $1000 for a "cambio de condición de estancia") in Mexico City. I was asked to write my phone number and email on the basic application form, but I'm not really expecting a call and/or an email to let me know when it's time to come in for Step # 2. I hope they do it for you in Mérida!



Back in January the SEGOB INM office here gave me a phone number with 3 extensions to call for updates to see if my card was there. The INM wedsite did not update anything past they sent the application to DF.

They never asked for my phone #. When I did another tramite again last month to recieve a Permiso para Trabajar I called and they had the updated new card there for who knows how long but it took only 3 weeks [maybe less] to do everything this time, not the 8 weeks as before in Nov. We do not have as many foreigners here as I presume DF does. Good luck on getting it through quickly. Alan


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La Isla


Apr 24, 2013, 12:52 PM

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Thanks, Alan. A friend of mine here in the DF applied for the same change as me and after 3 months is still waiting. I hope that doesn't happen to me.


Irishincolumbus

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On May 10 Alanmexicali posted this on anothere thread that has been closed :

Steve.

As a first timer you can apply inside Mexico under Vinculo Familiar with no requirements to show financial solvency, with a FMM tourist card however, even though the SEGOB INM website states you can apply for Residente Permanente when your spouse is a Mexican National and your marriage is registered at the local registrar civil they have only been giving spouses in this situation the option of getting a Residente Temporal for 2 years first and then allowing a tramite to Residente Permanente no matter how long you have been married. My experience and a few others. Alan

I was in INM Queretaro last Monday , May 6 and can confirm Alan is 100 % correct . They said Residente Permanente could not be done and told me to apply for the Vinculo Familiar Residente Temporal and 2 year route to Permanente.
We went back Tuesday with all the paper work which was accepted , they did not want to see any bank info from me but did tell my wife to sign and vouch for me instead.
It looks like the only way to get Permanente through financial independence to to apply to a Consulate before coming into Mexico.

Cheers , James


YucaLandia


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Picked up my Permanent Residency card yesterday. Our Merida office only gives out the cards between 12:00 and 1:00. Applied March 21. Got fingerprinted and turned in fotos and $$ on April 23. Received card May 13, 2013. No financial statements needed. 3 prior yrs on FM3 + 2 yrs on FM2. All easy and routine - exactly as described by Rollybrook.com as Yucalandia.com. No drama.
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JenniferLAyres

May 15, 2013, 2:21 PM

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Hi there,

I also want to self-employ as an English teacher and may need assistance with obtaining an FM3. Would you mind sharing with me the name and telephone number of the lawyer you said was helpful and also any contacts for earning certification for teaching English.

Thanks!
Jennifer


La Isla


May 15, 2013, 2:25 PM

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Are you in Mexico City?


TedZar

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Congratulations on your PR card, Steve!

Question if I may. I'll be entering Mexico at Tijuana in early June and heading down to Ensenada. Is there a specific entry document that I need to obtain when I enter? Something the INM will be wanting when I go there a few days later?

Any guidance is greatly appreciated.

TedZar


YucaLandia


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Hi Ted,
When we flew out of Cancun to the USA last week, I had to fill out an FMM, describing "where I would be staying in Mexico", and on "what flight did i use to enter Mexico".... Leave the Flight Number blank... Leave the Return date blank - because you might not return on the day you plan/expect.

Other than the Kafka-esque aspects of filling-out paperwork describing my projected entry into Mexico - as I left Mexico - They boldly hand-wrote " Residente Permanente" across the top of the bottom half of the FMM card, stamped both parts with my Mexican departure date, and stamped the exit date for leaving Mexico in my passport - (making 2 stamps: exit and re-entry, for every trip out of Mexico - pointing to needing a new US passport in the future since the pages are filling up fast). Re-entry into Mexico through Cancun 6 days later was slick and painless.

Based on this, you will likely have to fill out an FMM...
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TedZar

May 23, 2013, 2:36 PM

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Thanks, Steve;

I probably wasn't clear. This will be my initial entry into Mexico with my PR visa in my passport obtained from the embassy in Thailand where I have lived for the last twelve years.

That cambio check sounds like a good thing to double check when I enter.


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Just got back from INM in DF, easy as pie. Went and waited in line to speak with the "information kiosk" who sent us to another queue for the "information counter", waited about 30 minutes for my turn, got told what paperwork I needed and was told to go to another counter to get a form to take to the bank. Paid $3130 pesos.

Went to the bank, waited in another line, paid. Went and got my photos done and photocopies of everything I needed, total cost $105 pesos. Used the internet at an internet cafe to fill out the form on INM website and print it, total cost $23 pesos.

Went back to the INM office and waited in line again for about 45 minutes, handed in my forms and got my NUT.

Total time: 4 hours

Cost: 1 year residente temporal - 3130
Photos and copies: 105
Internet Cafe: 23
Lunch: 290
Total: $3548 pesos

Overall an easy process but rather time consuming to do so little.


La Isla


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Just got back from INM in DF, easy as pie. Went and waited in line to speak with the "information kiosk" who sent us to another queue for the "information counter", waited about 30 minutes for my turn, got told what paperwork I needed and was told to go to another counter to get a form to take to the bank. Paid $3130 pesos.

Went to the bank, waited in another line, paid. Went and got my photos done and photocopies of everything I needed, total cost $105 pesos. Used the internet at an internet cafe to fill out the form on INM website and print it, total cost $23 pesos.

Went back to the INM office and waited in line again for about 45 minutes, handed in my forms and got my NUT.

Total time: 4 hours

Cost: 1 year residente temporal - 3130
Photos and copies: 105
Internet Cafe: 23
Lunch: 290
Total: $3548 pesos

Overall an easy process but rather time consuming to do so little.[/reply

Does this mean you now have the RT visa in hand? I'm still waiting over a month to go to the second step to change my No Inmigrante visa for an RP card and was told last week that it will take at least one more month. I have not found the process "easy a pie" for me.


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May 27, 2013, 1:59 PM

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As a third party observer - I'd like to suggest that at this point, if you are both trying to accomplish the same thing - at the same INM office, that you compare the contents of the INM web-page which shows your progress.

My progress stalled when my page did not show "Payment received". That put me 2 weeks behind my wife, who received her NUT the same day I did.

Just a thought.


La Isla


May 27, 2013, 2:26 PM

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We're doing different things - I´m changing from No Inmigrante lucrativa with 4 prórrogas, making me eligible to apply for Residente Permanente. It appears that CanGuy78 is applying for a first-time one-year Residente Temporal visa.


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May 27, 2013, 4:09 PM

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Does this mean you now have the RT visa in hand? I'm still waiting over a month to go to the second step to change my No Inmigrante visa for an RP card and was told last week that it will take at least one more month. I have not found the process "easy a pie" for me.


No I don't have my RT visa yet, today was my first visit to INM but the initial process was easy and I got my NUT to check the status.

The girl said I should check it in a week or two and then check periodically from there on in as to my RT visa status.


La Isla


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That's what I thought. Unless you are extremely lucky, don't count on being called back to complete the next step in the process for at least a month. When I went to INM last Monday and asked what the average wait has been for people to receive their cards, the young woman I spoke to reluctantly mumbled something about a month, but she didn't seem very sure about it.


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That's what I thought. Unless you are extremely lucky, don't count on being called back to complete the next step in the process for at least a month. When I went to INM last Monday and asked what the average wait has been for people to receive their cards, the young woman I spoke to reluctantly mumbled something about a month, but she didn't seem very sure about it.


I'm in no hurry to be quite honest. I don't have any plans on leaving the country anytime soon, which would be quite difficult for me as there's no stamp in my passport for the arrival trip last month and my little FMM says 30 day limit, so until I get my card I am stuck here unless I want to pay fines for overstaying, which of course I don't.


La Isla


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Having to wait and wait for a residence visa can become a problem if you need it for taking care of things like signing up for health insurance with IMSS, which is the situation I'm in at the moment. I wasn't thinking about needing the card to leave the country, though I was hoping to visit the States in September.


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Having to wait and wait for a residence visa can become a problem if you need it for taking care of things like signing up for health insurance with IMSS, which is the situation I'm in at the moment. I wasn't thinking about needing the card to leave the country, though I was hoping to visit the States in September.


CanGuy78 says he has no stamp upon arrival in his passport but did get a 30 day FMM. Didn´t FHBOY have a problem with no entrance stamp in his passport and no FMM when being processed here in Mexico from his 6 month Mexican Consulate visa in his passport in the end?


BryanC

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Recent INM experience
Went today on June 4th.
Location: Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas
My situation: I have been here in Chiapas since June 2009. My wife is a Mexican National. Our child, who was born in US, is a dual citizen. I went to change my FM3 to a Residente Permanente, based on the fact I was the parent of a child who is a Mexican citizen.
What happened:
Of the slew of paperwork I gave her, the INM representative gave me back all except for the following:
1) INM internet application with the "pieza" number
2) Copy of passport (ID page only) and FM3 card
3) Copy of my daughter's Mexican birth certificate (the one we obtained in the Mexican consulate in NC in 2008)
4) Copy of daughter's CURP (I threw in copies of my daughter's Acta de Bautizo and school enrollment form, she kept those as well)
5) Copy of wife's birth certificate
6) Three most recent bank statements
7) Copy of recent Telmex bill, verifying our address
8) A letter requesting change of estancia. I had written one in a basic format I found on the internet, but the lady asked my wife to go to a nearby ciber cafe and have another one typed up. She wanted basically the same thing, except a statement from my wife stating that she was a Mexican citizen, she had been married to me for 12 years, and that we had a 7 year old daughter.

We went to the bank and paid the fees ($1000 MXN plus $3815 MXN) and returned to INM to provide proof of payment. The INM rep said it should be about 10 days before receiving the Residente Permanente.

So, hopefully in a few days, I will receive the new card and never have to worry about future renewals.
Until then,
Bryan


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Is there a disconnect between the INM process and VISA Process at the Mexican consulate.

Although one has a VISA and everything was provided for resident card of some kind, INM (Jalisco) wants more information.

1) Online "Formato para solicitar tramite de estancia" (has its own Pieza)
2) Copies of Visa, Passport, pictures, FMM for when entered Mexico
3) Payment of $$ 3,130 at the local bank
4) "Comprobante de Registro de Solicitud" (Has it own Pieza and password)
5) Next one must check: http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Seguimiento_de_Tramite
6) At the bottom of the link there is another link to :
http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Pre_Registro_Formato_Basico.html#nut

If the dates are correct on the web site, Jalisco is looking at 30 Days to get anything.


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La Isla


Jun 16, 2013, 9:49 AM

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Only 30 days to get your card? I've been living in Mexico for almost 6 years and have been waiting almost two months to get mine. A friend who has been here almost as long as me waited 4 months to get his. So consider yourself lucky if yours is issued in a month!


Sea Conquest

Jun 18, 2013, 5:29 PM

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Just wanted to follow up on our experience getting temporary residence. We applied at the consulate in San Diego in March. Provided them with all the information they required and had our visas in our passports by the end of the week. My husband crossed the border by car in Nogales on June 1st. My son and I arrived by plane into Puerto Vallarta on June 3rd. We all received an FMM for Canje at the border. My husband did not need a menaje de casa approved by the consulate to move our household goods via truck and trailer. We did make a menaje-like list of everything with approximate values, which expedited his border crossing in Nogales.

We met with our attorney to begin processing our temporary residence cards on June 4th. We were fingerprinted last week in Nuevo Vallarta and received our green cards from Mexico City yesterday, June 17th. 13 days total! During that time, my husband had to fly back to the States, so our attorney also prepared an exit permit for him. I cannot recommend our attorney, Sergio Santana in Bucerias, more highly. Although I am an attorney in the U.S., and probably could have handled everything in Mexico with a little bit of patience and some elbow grease, I am very pregnant and thought that outsourcing would be a good idea. I am very glad we did.

Our attorney is now in the process of getting our TIP extended (and hopefully preserving our deposit). After the baby is born, he will assist us with getting the baby's Mexican passport and, if we decide to stay long-term, can apply for permanent residence on the basis of our baby's citizenship.

Thanks to everyone for all of the great advice on this site.


BryanC

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Here is an update to my June 4th posting...

On June 4th, I was told all my paperwork was in order and to return in 10 days. I returned today and was told that the process had not been started because I was missing two documents. They had one of the documents, which they realized when I pointed it out. The other document that was missing was something that I had given to them on the 4th, but they had returned to me saying that it was not needed. I gave them the document (again) and they told me to return next week for my fingerprinting, etc,. then return in 8-10 days for the permanent residency.

I wish that the right hand knew what the left was doing, but despite the mix-up, the process is still a lot better than it was a few years ago. I just keep in mind that once I get this, no more INM visits.

Bryan


esperanza

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Only 30 days to get your card? I've been living in Mexico for almost 6 years and have been waiting almost two months to get mine. A friend who has been here almost as long as me waited 4 months to get his. So consider yourself lucky if yours is issued in a month!

Judy has been living in Mexico for 8 years. She applied for Residente Permanente--with all the correct paperwork--on April 24, the first day it was possible given the expiration date of her FM-2. She's still waiting. Monday (June 17) she went back to INM here in Mexico City and they asked her to fill out a WHERE IS MY VISA? form, since she should have had it some time ago. (The law says 20 días hábiles.)

Plus which, on Friday the 21st we are leaving the country for 10 days. Due to INM incompetence, she had to pay an extra 320 pesos ON TOP OF the fee for the Permanente--to get a travel permit letter.

So far she has been to INM 8 times (eight!) since April 24 due to their SNAFU's. She is over it, believe me. I am grateful every day that I am a Mexican citizen.

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La Isla


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Esperanza, my hearfelt sympathy to Judy. Her experience makes mine seem like a walk in the park. Tomorrow I'm going to INM to have my fingerprints taken, so I expect I should have my card not too long after that, but I´m not holding my breath, since I don't look so good in blue :).


CanGuy78


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Only 30 days to get your card? I've been living in Mexico for almost 6 years and have been waiting almost two months to get mine. A friend who has been here almost as long as me waited 4 months to get his. So consider yourself lucky if yours is issued in a month!


As an update, when I went to INM they told me 15 days, it's now been over 3 weeks and there is no change at all in my Visa status.

Hopefully I'll have it by the end of July. Good ole Mexico bureaucracy.


La Isla


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Esperanza, my hearfelt sympathy to Judy. Her experience makes mine seem like a walk in the park. Tomorrow I'm going to INM to have my fingerprints taken, so I expect I should have my card not too long after that, but I´m not holding my breath, since I don't look so good in blue :).


Here I am, talking to myself again ... This morning I arrived at INM-DF a little before 11:00 a.m. and was out in under an hour. While waiting in a sort-of line to give my fingerprints, the final step in the process, I was singled out for special attention by an INM gendarme. He asked for my passport, so he could give to someone working behind the "huellas" counter, so I could be taken care of out of turn. When I asked why, he told me it was because of my "edad". Apparently, anyone waiting in line who looks to be over 50 is given preferential treatment! Now all I have to do is wait 2 to 3 weeks for a "presentarse" notice to appear on my"Seguimiento de Trámite" webpage, and I'll be able to return to the bureaucratic "zoo" on Ejército Nacional and pick up my Residente Permanente card, ¡por fin!


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Moving a senior-age person ahead of the line is common in Mexico. When I went to vote last July, the line snaked halfway around the block. A line monitor saw me walk up and escorted me to the front of the line. "Señora, usted es mayor de edad. Pásese." That and having some young thing give me a seat on the Metrobús are about the only two perks I can think of in being an old person. Well, and the INAPAM discounts.

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La Isla


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It may be common, but it's the first time it's happened to me in a government office.


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I took my husband to INM here in Mazatlan early Mon morning, the 17th....the earliest he could apply for his renewal was the 15th which was Sat. When we arrived we were told that the rules had changed - again - (I'm shocked) and that even though he has had an FM3 status for over 15 yrs.....they are no longer counting this past time towards RP!!!! So he has to stay as a RT for one more year and then can apply for RP, as he needs a "3" on the back of his card and only had "2" on the one he surrendered!! I'm betting that by then, they might be back to the old system of counting years spent here towards the new status, pero quien sable?!
My current mantra is "flexibility is good for mental health"........
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Any suggestions? I, too, had my fingerprints taken on May 20, and still the message on the INM website says, "20/05/2013 Su documento migratorio está en proceso de elaboración." Should I just keep waiting?


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I have the same status.

Mine was in s strange status asking for more information, I went to the office to see what the holdup was, and they told me, lost pictures.
So this past Monday, I handed in a new set of infintial photos and was fingerprinted.

Status is now: Su documento migratorio está en proceso de elaboración.

I was told to check back this Friday, or a few times next week.

When in the GDL office, I overheard others saying that some rules had changed, what I do not know.


sean chilango

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I had to renew in Toluca being in estado de mexico. That was back in MAY!!!! and i am still waiting for there to be some movement. I had it issued in Hermosillo in a week last year... now I am here and its taking so so long. I want to visit family but can leave without more cost and documents. I dont understand why it takes so long...


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I had to renew in Toluca being in estado de mexico. That was back in MAY!!!! and i am still waiting for there to be some movement. I had it issued in Hermosillo in a week last year... now I am here and its taking so so long. I want to visit family but can leave without more cost and documents. I dont understand why it takes so long...


I began the renewal process in Mexico City in April and expect to have my Residente Permanente card in a week or two. Last year it only took a couple of weeks. It's taking much longer this year because of the implementation of the new Immigration rules and regs, which the people who work at INM are still getting used to. Patience is the only answer to the situation, I fear.


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Picked up my card today.
I was depressed, I requested a multiyear card but was issued one for 1 year.
This card does not indicate if I can work or not on it.


CozICan

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I received my Residente Permanente card in April here on Cozumel. It was less that 3 weeks from my first visit to the INM Office to when I picked up my Card. I think I just lucked out with good timing but yours seems to be taking WAY TOO LONG :(


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I received my Residente Permanente card in April here on Cozumel. It was less that 3 weeks from my first visit to the INM Office to when I picked up my Card. I think I just lucked out with good timing but yours seems to be taking WAY TOO LONG :(


What kind of card did you have before getting the RP? I had a No Inmigrante with 4 prórrogas. In Mexico City, having to wait two or three months or even longer has been the case this year for anyone in my situation.


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My papers had been expired for at least 10 years, had to start over.
Total time, 3 weeks and 5 trips to the GDL office.


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CozICan

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I had an FM 3 (No Inmigrante) for 4 years before I received my Residente Permanente status.


La Isla


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The same situation as mine. I guess that things are just taking much longer in the D.F. than where you are.


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Judy had her fingerprints done today, on her 9th visit to INM/Mexico City.

They told her she can get her Residente Permanente in three weeks. We'll see how close they come to the date.

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Jul 2, 2013, 4:58 PM

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Nine visits! Poor Judy. I'll keep my fingers crossed that she gets her card in three weeks. When I went to INM two weeks ago to give my fingerprints, I was told it would be 2 or 3 weeks before my card would be ready to pick up.


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My fear is that by the time it is issued I will be back in the USA. As is now I have to file again for permission to leave while I wait for the visa to get issued.... I think I should have gone back to hermo...


esperanza

Jul 18, 2013, 9:07 AM

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JUDY GOT HER RESIDENTE PERMANENTE TODAY!

She just picked it up at INM. It took three months, but today is her birthday--what better present could she have gotten!


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Jul 18, 2013, 9:18 AM

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Congratulations to Judy, and Happy Birthday too!

Unfortunately, in my case it's been over a month since I gave my fingerprints and was told it would be two or three weeks for my card to be ready, but still no "presentarse" on my INM online account.


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esperanza

Jul 18, 2013, 10:46 AM

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The guy at INM told Judy--when she was being fingerprinted--that it was unlikely that there would be anything posted to the website telling her that the RP was ready, just to come back in three weeks. Nevertheless, yesterday the website updated to show that her visa was ready to be picked up.

You might want to go to INM to check. She said it was wall-to-wall people today, literally shoulder to shoulder. Like the Metro at rush hours!

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YucaLandia


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La Isla,
Finally talked with our local INM personnel, and then tracked down INM's official list of items for foreigners who want to a residency permit that allows them to work: http://www.inm.gob.mx/...oferta_de_empleo.pdf
For others:
IF YOU HAVE A JOB OFFER from a Mexican Company: Get them to send you a letter on company letterhead that is and official offer of employment, with all the key data needed: Carte de oferta de trabajo, con la nombre de la persona responsible para hiring you, y descriptions of the typo de trabajo y typos de actividades, lugar de trabajo, periodo de trabajo, cuanto tiempo por cada semana, nombre y titulo de la representante de esta negocio or escuela, y contact informattion. ...
If you DO NOT already have Residency in Mexico, then submit this letter with your application to a Mexican Consulate in your home country, requesting una Visa de Residencia Temporal, de Residencia Permanente, o y de Visitante con permiso para realizar actividades remuneradas, por oferta de empleo. After you receive your visa from the Consulate, you then have 180 days to go to Mexico, and use that visa to enter Mexico - with another 30 days to go to your INM office and complete the immigration card process.

If you already have residency in Mexico, but need permission to work, then go to INM with your Employment Offer Letter, and use the INM weblink to read the rest of the requirements.
Weblink to the INM site that has the current Requirements for Applying for a RESIDENTE TEMPORAL Lucrativa with PERMISSION TO WORK - or Residente Permanente, or VISITANTE with Permission to work, using an offer of employment letter: http://www.inm.gob.mx/...oferta_de_empleo.pdf

My apologies if these things are covered elsewhere on Mexconnect, but these represent the latest pertinent explanations from our Merida INM office.
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La Isla


Jul 18, 2013, 1:50 PM

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The guy at INM told Judy--when she was being fingerprinted--that it was unlikely that there would be anything posted to the website telling her that the RP was ready, just to come back in three weeks. Nevertheless, yesterday the website updated to show that her visa was ready to be picked up.

You might want to go to INM to check. She said it was wall-to-wall people today, literally shoulder to shoulder. Like the Metro at rush hours!


Thanks for the tip, esperanza. I was told to wait for an online notice to pick up my card, but I'm planning to go there on Monday to find out what's going on. It's been like Grand Central Station at INM for the last couple of months, no matter what time you show up. ¡Qué horror!


La Isla


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I have had permission to work as a free-lance English teacher for several years now, but if I didn't, your post would be very useful. I'm sure other Mexconnect posters will make good use of this information.


viktoremski


Jul 18, 2013, 2:03 PM

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I think "Esperanza" is right. In my case, back in January, I was also informed at the time of fingerprinting that there would be no notification when the RP card is ready. I had to go back to INM a couple of times and check in a log book to see when it was ready.
Good luck,
Vic


La Isla


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I think "Esperanza" is right. In my case, back in January, I was also informed at the time of fingerprinting that there would be no notification when the RP card is ready. I had to go back to INM a couple of times and check in a log book to see when it was ready.
Good luck,
Vic


On the other hand, a friend in the DF who just got his card after four months of multiple visits and waiting and waiting was notified on-line when his card was ready. There are no log books to check in Mexico City, as far as I know. Where are you?


AlanMexicali


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I think "Esperanza" is right. In my case, back in January, I was also informed at the time of fingerprinting that there would be no notification when the RP card is ready. I had to go back to INM a couple of times and check in a log book to see when it was ready.
Good luck,
Vic


On the other hand, a friend in the DF who just got his card after four months of multiple visits and waiting and waiting was notified on-line when his card was ready. There are no log books to check in Mexico City, as far as I know. Where are you?



From reading 2 more Expat websites the talk is that this function on the INM website has only being used for maybe 2 weeks now where they actually have a notice that your card is ready. Before no one ever posted that this was happening and walked in, or in my case called the phone # they gave me to ask if their card was there yet. Progress.


La Isla


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I think "Esperanza" is right. In my case, back in January, I was also informed at the time of fingerprinting that there would be no notification when the RP card is ready. I had to go back to INM a couple of times and check in a log book to see when it was ready.
Good luck,
Vic


On the other hand, a friend in the DF who just got his card after four months of multiple visits and waiting and waiting was notified on-line when his card was ready. There are no log books to check in Mexico City, as far as I know. Where are you?



From reading 2 more Expat websites the talk is that this function on the INM website has only being used for maybe 2 weeks now where they actually have a notice that your card is ready. Before no one ever posted that this was happening and walked in, or in my case called the phone # they gave me to ask if their card was there yet. Progress.


Progress in theory, but not in my case! :-(


CanGuy78


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Progress in theory, but not in my case! :-(


So you're still waiting as well?

It's been 52 days since I put in my papers at INM, nothing yet, at least not on the website.


La Isla


Jul 20, 2013, 8:34 AM

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Still waiting. I first applied on April 22, and it's been almost a month since I gave them my fingerprints (the last step in the process), when I was told it would be two or three weeks. Hah!


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Progress in theory, but not in my case! :-(


So you're still waiting as well?

It's been 52 days since I put in my papers at INM, nothing yet, at least not on the website.

Have you gone into their office to find out? Mine never showed up on the website, but I had given them my email address and got an email saying it was done two weeks after fingerprints.


La Isla


Jul 20, 2013, 9:21 AM

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In Mexico City, there's no chance that INM will be sending individual emails to let us know that our card is ready - just too many people to deal with!


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Still waiting. I first applied on April 22, and it's been almost a month since I gave them my fingerprints (the last step in the process), when I was told it would be two or three weeks. Hah!


If it was me I would go back in to the INM office and fib a bit to the person at the entrance, who you said once likes to turn people away and not giving out a number, and say you are here to pick up your visa. I wouldn´t wait for their website to update. The website is notorious for not being updated. Your card could be sitting there.


La Isla


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I was thinking of doing just that, though lately in Mexico City, people have been notified that their cards were ready on the INM website.


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It's a quick-ish trip up to Polanco for you--although it could be half a day standing in the INM lines! I'd go check on it, regardless. You might be happily surprised. And if it's not ready, at least they know you're standing in front of them qvetching.

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Jul 20, 2013, 7:05 PM

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I'd be thrilled with a happy surprise. And I know I'll have to stand around for quite a while waiting to talk to someone, so I'll be sure to wear comfortable shoes when I go. I'll just get in the line for picking up cards that are ready to go and see what happens!


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Progress in theory, but not in my case! :-(


So you're still waiting as well?

It's been 52 days since I put in my papers at INM, nothing yet, at least not on the website.

Have you gone into their office to find out? Mine never showed up on the website, but I had given them my email address and got an email saying it was done two weeks after fingerprints.


No one has taken my fingerprints. All that happened was I filed all the paperwork and paid the fees, submitted photos etc.


La Isla


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In Mexico City, giving fingerprints is the last step before your card is finally issued, so you still have some time to go before you get yours, I'm afraid.


La Isla


Jul 23, 2013, 10:39 AM

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It's been 5 weeks since they took my fingerprints at the INM office in Mexico City. I went there this morning to find out what's going on. After waiting an hour and a half (thank God, there were chairs to sit on!), the very nice guy who was helping me told me that my credencial had never been sent to them from the company that is actually making the cards. He apologized (!) for the delay and asked me to come back a week from this Friday. In the meantime, they will contact the card-making company to find out what has happened with my file. When I return there on August 2 (keep in mind I began the application process on April 22), if he isn't there, he gave me the name of his boss, so I can talk to her. Needless to say, I feel frustrated and angry, but what else can I do but wait some more?


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It sounds like he at least told you the truth. We will keep our fingers crossed that they find your file and send your credencial to the office. God forbid you should have to start over.

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Jul 23, 2013, 11:17 AM

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Start over? Let's not go there ... !


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We have five or six threads dealing with the new INM rules.
It will be much more useful to consolidate our experiences.
So. please, lets use this thread to report of experience with INM and Consulate offices.

Here is a recent reliable first-person report from a first time residency applicant: as a successful NON RETIRED Residente Permanente awarded in May...

"... I just moved to Campeche in May.

~ I got a permanent resident visa in the states (Mexican Consulate in Houston, USA), based on my income.

~ Applying at the Campeche (INM) office for my resident card couldn’t have been easier. I went in alone but prepared with all my financials and copies, speaking no Spanish but armed with a google translator on my cell phone.

~ They didn’t ask for or want any of my financials. Just a lease and electric bill, which was in my landlords name,

~ accompanied by a letter from him explaining the bill would remain in his name but that I would pay it. ~ ..."


"... They gave me a form to fill out and asked for two infantile size pictures, a receipt from the bank showing I paid the $35.00 fee and that was it! I had to return two weeks later to sign another form and wait another two weeks for the card to come in from Mexico City and that was it.

~ They couldn’t have been nicer or more helpful. ~ A great INM office to use! "

I think this covers key issues for many people planning for Residente Permanente applications, for one pair of: a Mexican Consulate (Houston) and the Campeche INM office.
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La Isla


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Here is the final chapter of my INM 2013 saga:

As I was told to do 10 days ago by a pleasant clerk at INM in Mexico City, I returned there this morning to find out what has happened to my application for a Residente Permanente card, for which I had begun the application process on April 22. I got there around 10 am and was dismayed to see an incredibly long line of people waiting to pick up their cards. It moved rather slowly for a half hour, and then a nice security guard came over and guided me to the head of the line because of my "persona de la tercera edad" (senior citizen) status. I explained my problem to the person helping me, and he agreed that he needed to talk to his supervisor to find out what had happened to my application. I waited another half hour (part of the time on a fairly comfortable chair) and passed the time nibbling on dried apples and cashews and reading the latest issue of Harper's magazine. Finally, I heard my name called over the constant din of conversation in the crowded space and eagerly approached the counter to meet my fate. The "Licenciada" in charge was very pleasant to me but never did explain what might have happened to my card. She asked if I had regulation-size photos with me, and luckily I did! She took the ones needed for my card and returned the rest to me. Then I was directed to the "Toma de huellas" station, the next one along the counter, where my fingerprints were taken for the second time (the first time was June 19. I was asked to sit down and wait some more. After another half hour or so had passed, I heard my name called and went back to the counter. After signing my name on yet another piece of paper, I was given my card!! I was so happy that I wanted to kiss the "Licenciada" but settled instead for a cordial handshake. Then I left the building (perhaps for the last time ever?), almost skipped down Ejército Nacional, and went to Los Bisquets, where I celebrated with a lovely breakfast of an huitlacoche omelette with a side order of nopales. When I got home (after a wild shopping spree in Soriana), I showed my new card to a neighbor who had received his about a month ago. He was surprised to see that mine has a chip while his does not. And that's the end of this tale of trials and tribulations, but one with a happy ending!


esperanza

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Bendito sea Dios! Judy and I are so happy for all of us that it's OVER!

On the other hand, she is going to SRE mid-month to start the citizenship application. She's already been to two reclusorios--one in the far reaches of Tlalpan and the other in the no-man's-land of Iztapalapa--and has the all-clear: no criminal record. LOL--why are we not surprised!

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Aug 3, 2013, 7:49 AM

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Thanks, esperanza (and Judy)! Keep us posted on how Judy's application for Mexican citizenship goes. I'll be doing the same thing in a couple of years, I think. By then I should have recovered from my latest (and last) bout with INM :-).


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So, just logging my two cents. I applied and received my Residente Temporal visa at the Portland, OR Consolate, within a week (went in Wednesday to drop the papers off, was emailed next Wednesday to have the visa stuck in my passport). Excellent experience all around, and the PDX consolate lists all the documentation required for each type of visa.


La Isla


Aug 15, 2013, 12:57 PM

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So, just logging my two cents. I applied and received my Residente Temporal visa at the Portland, OR Consolate, within a week (went in Wednesday to drop the papers off, was emailed next Wednesday to have the visa stuck in my passport). Excellent experience all around, and the PDX consolate lists all the documentation required for each type of visa.


Here's hoping things go as well for you at your local INM office in Mexico, where you´ll be going to finalize your application for a RT card. Good luck!


NCommander

Aug 15, 2013, 1:25 PM

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Here's hoping things go as well for you at your local INM office in Mexico, where you´ll be going to finalize your application for a RT card. Good luck!


That's the part I'm worrying about :-). It seems relatively easy, even in the DF, but given that most of us Temporal Residente folks seem to grumble at INM.

The RT card is what I need to present (with the top half of a FNM card) when I leave the country, correct?


esperanza

Aug 15, 2013, 2:28 PM

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If by 'relatively easy even in the DF' you mean 10 trips back and forth from our apartment to the INM office in hellacious DF traffic, you mean spending either 200 pesos round trip for a taxi or taking the Metro and then taking a taxi, you mean standing in line for hours at a time at the INM office, you mean making 6 or 8 trips to the bank and to an escritorio público, you mean waiting three months for the new card...then okay, I guess it was relatively easy in the DF. I'd hate to see what 'relatively difficult' looks like.

Sorry, my wife and I are not yet 100% over getting her new card--and tomorrow we start the last part of the trek toward her citizenship. Next stop: SRE.

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YucaLandia


Aug 15, 2013, 3:54 PM

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What a good good first-hand report about how things work in DF, relative to other INM locations.

For context, some INM offices like Chapala have been taking at least 3 months, and over 4 months in some cases - all just to review applications and bank statements for Residente Permanente applications - with no final approvals issued. Many Chapala residents bailed on their local INM office due to these problems, and shifted to Guadalajara. Guadalajara INM raised the bar too, questioning the legitimacy of signatures, passports, and requiring proof of PENSION income - not just bank statements.

Similar applications are going through in 30 - 45 days in Merida and Puerto Vallara.

Manzanillo applicants are flying through in 8 to 10 days...

San Cristobal/Chiapas first hand reports are saying they are finishing the whole process in under 20 days...

Is time to start a new single updated ~ current thread ~ to track the current details, identifying current local realities vs searching the current 383 replies of this monster thread?
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mazbeach

Aug 15, 2013, 6:34 PM

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In Mazatlan, three weeks from walking in the door the first time to walking out with our new RP cards. Great people to work with. Guess it all depends on which office you have to deal with. They go out of their way here to make it easy and stress free.

However, if you walk in with a chip on your shoulder you are going to encounter grumpy people.


La Isla


Aug 15, 2013, 6:45 PM

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I wonder if there's a relation between the number of expats a particular INM office has to deal with and how long it takes for them to process your card. I also wonder if there's a difference between those of us who have lived in Mexico for several years and are changing from the old FM2&3/No Inmigrante&Inmigrante system to the new Residente Temporal/Residente Permanente categories and those newly-arrived expats who began the process at Mexican Consulates in their home countries.


YucaLandia


Aug 15, 2013, 6:53 PM

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Good distinction about new applicants coming in with pre-approvals from Mexican Consulates versus current residents applying to change categories from temporary residency (FM2/FM3) to Residente Permanente.

The times I quote above are for the temporary residency (FM2/FM3) to Residente Permanente category changes.
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YucaLandia


Aug 16, 2013, 7:24 AM

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Further updates on Current INM local office news:
The most recent SMA INM office reports say 10-12 days between applying for Residente Permanente and fingerprinting, no financials needed, then 2-3 weeks to get the cards back from Df - which makes SMA similar to Merida, PV, et al.

Re Why Big City offices are slower and more inefficient when providing the same services:
These 4 INM offices are all reasonably busy, relative to the numbers of INM staff - where one expects 2-4 hour waits to meet with an INM agent. Since the DF offices are the same as ours: only open between 9:00 - 1:00 (Distrito Federal - Instituto Nacional de Migración ), it is hard to imagine more than 4 hour waits at DF - because DF INM offices have the same office hours as the rest of us.

Again, government operations in DF , like almost all big cities around the world, are likely far slower than their mid-sized city country cousins in completing the same tasks, simply due to cultural issues. In bigger bureaucracies, the individual workers almost universally take less personal responsibility and less ownership, and the bigger bureacracies (that are an inherent part of big big cities) are inherently and historically less efficient and more-political than their country-cousins.

In smaller cities, people tend to be friendlier. There is a subconscious realization that you will possibly/likely meet this person again - reducing anonymity - which tends to make people more personally-accountable to one another. e.g. Since "your sister" might be the teacher of "my child" one day (in a smaller city), "I better not piss you off, because it may come back to bite me."

The inherent anonymity and the inherent brusqueness of Big City folk really do produce more lackadaisical attitudes and lower levels of personal responsibility in Big City government workers.

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As I wrote in earlier post, explaining and describing the same issues:
Choosing to live in the Big City has inherent advantages and inherent disadvantages built in: better art museums, more high culture like symphonies and opera, better night life and better clubbing, but the attitudes of Big City government workers are clearly worse and the productivity and personal accountability of Big City government workers is almost universally lower than their country-cousins in mid-sized cities.

Personally, I much more enjoy 10 minute trips to get to government offices, friendly and efficient government office staff, and familiar faces at many turns - all offered by a city of 1 million people - versus going to the Opera, the Symphony, and the hassles and delays and problems described by expats who live in the big big cities.

I prefer easier and more congenial day-to-day living, interspersed with intentional travel to the Big Cities to experience those occasional High Culture things: the best of both worlds.

Different strokes for different folks.

Just one guy's observations,
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Gringal

Aug 16, 2013, 8:54 AM

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We are in Ajijic and applied for Permanente on May 27th, the correct date according to the facilitator we used. We have had continuous residency in Mexico since 2004 and had a "3" on our FM-2's, so no financials were required here in Jalisco.

We checked with our facilitator last Monday. No word yet. Slow as a banana slug climbing up a redwood tree for folks around here. Our facilitator had predicted three to four months when we applied, and it looks like he was right.

We got a notarized copy of the pertinent application documents and our visas before turning in our FM-2's, "just in case".


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Anonimo

Aug 16, 2013, 10:19 AM

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We applied to INM Morelia for a change from Temporal to Permanente on Tuesday, July 16. We qualified on Financial Solvency. We were told to call the next Monday to see if they could fingerprint us on Tuesday.

We did, and they did fingerprint us. We were told to call in 15 days. On Monday, August 12, I received an email from INM saying that our visas were ready. On Tuesday, August 13, we picked them up.

The present staff at Morelia INM could hardly be nicer and more helpful. This year was an all time high for us, in terms of ease and friendly service. We are grateful.

Saludos,
Anonimo


mexrvers

Aug 16, 2013, 11:27 AM

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we applied at Puerto Vallarta June 27th based on 4 renewal good until Dec 2013.
Fingerprinted July 22nd, picked up cards August 12th.

First time doing it ourselves - easy, easy, easy!! so friendly and helpful

and, they made a point of telling us that we only have to return for change of address or if we want to work.

Thanks to all on this forum for helping..............


YucaLandia


Aug 16, 2013, 11:56 AM

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Update on Merida INM policy on FM2/FM3 with Refrendo/Prórroga = 3 (completing 4 total years ) changing to Residente Permanente: Merida requires that the FM2/FM3 card holder wait until the first business day after the card expires to apply for changing category to Residente Permanente .

A good friend with excellent Spanish skills confirmed this today, since his current FM2 expires in September, and he needs to fly out not long after the expiration date. He really did much prefer to apply 30 days (or more) before the expiration date, and he also wanted expedited processing to get his card before having to fly out for a NOB family wedding.

No, no, no.... were the answers: You MUST come in only on the first business day after FM2 expiration.

This policy was confirmed by a second visit to INM the following day, to talk with different INM agents on the same issues/questions.
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Gringal

Aug 16, 2013, 12:42 PM

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Same thing here. Couldn't apply before expiration date.

But: Update: good news........just notified that we're going in for fingerprinting on Monday. There is HOPE in Jalisco.


mexrvers

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we had a "4" on the back of our cards - good until December 2013.
we had checked previously and were told that our car would have to be removed before we applied for Permanente.
We left in April, sold the car, flew back and applied in June.

there were no bank statements required, just copies of passport and IMN forms. we had not moved so nothing to prove residence.

we spend an hour the first visit - including the bank payment and and hour the second for bank payment and fingerprints.


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Went and had my fingerprints taken on Monday August 19th. Was issued my CURP and told to check the website in 24 to 48 hours for an update.

Being realistic I don't expect to see anything happen for about two weeks.

For reference this is a first time application for Residencia Temporal.

This is in DF.


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CanGuy78


Aug 29, 2013, 11:59 AM

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My Residencia Temporal has been issued as of August 26th.

Woohoo. Finally!

Took 3 months to the day. I applied at INM on May 27th.


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La Isla


Aug 29, 2013, 12:12 PM

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¡Felicidades!


CanGuy78


Aug 30, 2013, 7:14 PM

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So my Residencia Temporal card says "Permiso para Trabajar". Is this a lucrativa?

I didn't apply for my lucrativa but it says clearly on it that I have permission to work.

I did put in my application that my reason for coming here is "to find work teaching English". Did someone perhaps put it into the system with a lucrativa even though I didn't apply for it or pay for it?

Could it be my lucky day?

Here's a picture of my card so you can see. (don't make fun of my horrible picture)

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Aug 30, 2013, 7:16 PM

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I turned in my application and documents on the 28th, my FM3 expires June 6th. They went through my documents and checked my bank statements and proof of income documents and told me to check the website but return in 2-3 weeks even if it does not say so on the site when checked. I only had a 2 on my FM3 as I was late prior to getting that one. My approval will be based on income and maybe points.

You are right about smaller offices being friendly. I have always done my own papers here on Cozumel and the employees have always helped with editing letters etc, and they get to know local expats.
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geoffbob

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I will shortly arrive in Mexico with my Residencia Temporal. Within 30 days I'll register at the INM office. I have two questions:

1.) Will I first need a CURP?
2.) By paying the INM fee four years in advance is there any particular advantage other than not having to make the yearly trek down to the office?


La Isla


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I will shortly arrive in Mexico with my Residencia Temporal. Within 30 days I'll register at the INM office. I have two questions:

1.) Will I first need a CURP?
2.) By paying the INM fee four years in advance is there any particular advantage other than not having to make the yearly trek down to the office?


1) I got my CURP after I got my first residence card, but that may have changed in the last 5 years.

2) The advantage of paying four years in advance, if they let you do it, is that you won't have to make so many yearly treks to the INM office, as delightful as that experience can be :-).


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I will shortly arrive in Mexico with my Residencia Temporal. Within 30 days I'll register at the INM office. I have two questions:

1.) Will I first need a CURP?
2.) By paying the INM fee four years in advance is there any particular advantage other than not having to make the yearly trek down to the office?

Not all INM delegaciones automatically enroll individuals, but you may include a simple request in your free form letter or the online form "remarks" section asking for enrollment at the time you register your Residencia Temporal.

Por medio de la presente el que subscribe mediante el presente escrito solicito registre de Clave Única de Registro de Población (CURP).

When you pickup your card you can verify that you have been enrolled. If not ask again. It only takes a short time for the INM agents to complete the process. INM has the authority to enroll individuals into CURP.


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Oh! So both can be done at the same time and at the same address in D.F.? In that case you saved me a double schlepp. I had the address for INM at Av. Ejercito 862 and for CURP I was going to Instituto Nacional de Estadistica at Balderas 71.


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Oh! So both can be done at the same time and at the same address in D.F.? In that case you saved me a double schlepp. I had the address for INM at Av. Ejercito 862 and for CURP I was going to Instituto Nacional de Estadistica at Balderas 71.

I am petty sure you will only be able to get a RT for 1 year now.


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INM, La Paz, Baja California Sur: My Inmigrante Refrendo #4 expires in November, so today I submitted my Residente Permanente application file. It went pretty much as expected. I didn't have to show proof of income or investments. One new twist was that, after checking my file, the agent handed me a blank sheet of paper and asked me (get this) to diagram the route to my house. Huh? At first I thought I'd misheard her, but no. I wonder what all that is about. Maybe they've caught applicants using fake addresses.

I was told approval would probably take ten days, and the entire process about a month. We'll see!

Kate


Aaron+

Nov 12, 2013, 12:57 PM

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Happy to pick up my residente permanente green card (chuckle, green like the USA) at INM Mérida yesterday. I had applied Sept. 19, 2013, four years and 1 day from receiving my initial residential type visa (a FM2 rentista back then) was the first day INM would accept my application. 4* trips and just under a total of $4K MXN, and I'm all set. Nothing special to report. The local INM staff were friendly and mostly helpful, as I have always found them to be.

I returned to INM 11 work days after being told I could return in 10 days for it, but I had not asked if they were 10 work days or 10 calendar days.

The INM office was pretty much deserted when I went for the next to last full session back on Oct. 27 for fingerprints, photo delivery, and payment. No wait then.

Not so yesterday. Arriving just after noon (12-1 being the time to receive new cards), I received white numbered card 75 and took my place in a packed waiting room. An hour later I jumped ahead of other white card holders when an official once again called for those who were only there to pick up cards. (Previous similar line jumpers had lower numbered cards.) Those who did not catch the Spanish language chance to leap forward stayed seated. I did rescue one fellow who had been sitting there over two hours.

Seemed to me that everyone's card was white. In the past, different colored cards represented different stages of interviews.

*I included two "1/2" trips for returns with bank payment receipts.


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I was fingerprinted today at La Paz INM, three weeks to the day (15th working day) from submitting my application file. They said to check back for my RP card in "a week or two". I don't expect it to be that quick, but at least I've passed another milestone.

Kate


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My Residente Permanente card was ready as of 28 November, so I count 31 days from application on 28 October. Pretty painless, all in all, and La Paz INM was very good at keeping my status updated on the website.

Whew! Finally! :-)

Kate


tashby


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Congrats! It's a nice feeling when you get that card!


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I went to the immigration office in D.F. today to effect a "canje" and comply with the 30 days to register after arrival in the country with a RT Visa from one of their consulates abroad. I got to town with reservations at a hotel only and no fixed address. Because every resource I'd studied made particular mention of having utility bills etc. in order show a fixed address I invested a very substantial amount of time into being able to provide such documentation within the statutory 30 days but truncated by the holiday closing which according to an agent there at Immigration starts December 20th. I procured the bills by twisting myself into a pretzel and it was thus equipped that I went up town to the authorities. I gave them my neatly assembled package of forms and held my breath. The agent instantly plucked out the bills, pushed them back at me and informed me that they are no longer required.


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... The agent instantly plucked out the bills, pushed them back at me and informed me that they are no longer required.


Don't you love it, life in bureaucratic Mexico! Now if you had shown up without those bills, who knows, you could have been turned back until you presented same!


geoffbob

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Ironically things on the Immigration front, although presented last year as a tightening up, seem to be loosening up. On my first visit to the Office of Circumlocution I showed up twenty minutes before the opening bell and took my place in a queue of possibly three hundred early birds. When I left the building I noted that there wasn't anybody in line and the sidewalk was almost empty. I did the metrics on that one and so on my second foray slept late and showed up at around 10:30, waltzed right in and out in a jiff. With visions of an interminable wait in the most uncomfortable chair in the world I had made sure to bring a Kindle. The entire process took about 30 minutes. I do have to report back for fingerprinting and let's just hope that they don't match up with any hideous criminal acts. And just for the record I was out of town on the day of the Brinks heist.


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Dec 15, 2013, 7:22 AM

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Ironically things on the Immigration front, although presented last year as a tightening up, seem to be loosening up. On my first visit to the Office of Circumlocution I showed up twenty minutes before the opening bell and took my place in a queue of possibly three hundred early birds. When I left the building I noted that there wasn't anybody in line and the sidewalk was almost empty. I did the metrics on that one and so on my second foray slept late and showed up at around 10:30, waltzed right in and out in a jiff. With visions of an interminable wait in the most uncomfortable chair in the world I had made sure to bring a Kindle. The entire process took about 30 minutes. I do have to report back for fingerprinting and let's just hope that they don't match up with any hideous criminal acts. And just for the record I was out of town on the day of the Brinks heist.

Our INM office locally is open for new entrants from 8AM to 1PM. At 7:30 there is a line outside. I go at 12:30. The employees are motivated to finish up so they can leave, so things so very smooth and quick.


Aaron+

Dec 15, 2013, 8:31 AM

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Geoffbob notes that, "Our INM office locally is open for new entrants from 8AM to 1PM. At 7:30 there is a line outside. I go at 12:30. The employees are motivated to finish up so they can leave, so things so very smooth and quick."

At least at the Mérida office, there is, or used to be, a fixed number of entrance cards issued each day. Arrive after the fixed supply ran out, come back next day or whenever (unless one had an assigned appointment resulting from a prior visit).

If all offices now work on a "come before closing time, you will be served" basis, that is really a step forward!


Rolly


Dec 15, 2013, 9:13 AM

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I guess I live in a privileged world because in 12 years of visiting my INM office, I can recall having to wait for one person ahead of me only three times.

Rolly Pirate


La Isla


Dec 15, 2013, 9:33 AM

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Geoffbob notes that, "Our INM office locally is open for new entrants from 8AM to 1PM. At 7:30 there is a line outside. I go at 12:30. The employees are motivated to finish up so they can leave, so things so very smooth and quick."

At least at the Mérida office, there is, or used to be, a fixed number of entrance cards issued each day. Arrive after the fixed supply ran out, come back next day or whenever (unless one had an assigned appointment resulting from a prior visit).

If all offices now work on a "come before closing time, you will be served" basis, that is really a step forward!


I've been living in Mexico City since 2007, and they've never given out entrance cards at the INM office here. You just get there before closing time (1:00 pm) and you will be taken care of. I've never heard of anyone here having an assigned appointment. The lines are usually long, but they move pretty quickly, so all you need is patience and some knowledge of Spanish to have your trámites dealt with.


roni_smith


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I went to the Mexican consulate in Portland today to apply for a residente permanente visa. I was the second person in line, and after a 15 minute wait I was in.

My retirement income is enough to qualify for permanente, and if I had been receiving it for 6 months or more I would have walked out with the thing affixed to my passport saying I was eligible. Alas, I have not been receiving retirement benefits for that long. I could have received a residente temporal today, I was told. The other option I discussed with the visa person was going down to Mexico on a 180 day visitante permit (what one usually gets when heading down on vacation via the form filled out on the airplane), returning after I had 6 months of retirement income deposits documented and then get a permanente.

One cannot, I was told upon asking, combine months during which one was working with months during which one was receiving pensions/social security. The Mexican government wants to make sure, I was told, that a continuing retirement income stream would be present to support the visa applicant. Award letters from pension boards and social security were also not sufficient - actual deposits into bank accounts were the only documentation that was acceptable.

One can also qualify based on how much money one has in investments - documented via 12 months of investment/savings account statements. Our retirement assets are heavily tilted toward pensions and social security. We do not have 12 months of investment account balances that meet the minimum required. Balances that have been recently boosted by the sale of real estate would not work - 12 months of statements with a combined balance above the minimum was it.

We are leaning toward coming down on a visitante in late Jan / early Feb and, when we return to visit my mother in July, applying for a permanente. At that point in time I will have the six months of documented pension / social security deposits that exceed the minimum required.

The young woman I dealt with was very personable and professional. She sympathized with our return from a month long trip to Mexico during the winter.
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Aaron+

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My sympathies, Roni. Once again, the triumph of Mexican bureaucracy. Happy to see your mental equilibirum that you take it all in stride with apparent good humor! And hopefully, the next time around the GOM will not have by then changed once again its definition of what qualifies.


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Thanks Aaron, but I did not really feel in the need of sympathy. The requirements for a permanente are clearly spelled out on the consulates web site. I was admittedly hopeful that the award letters would suffice, but they did not.

There were rules and, at the time I applied, I did not comply with them. We have a choice and we are leaning toward the one I noted in my post. We'll see how that goes.
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Dec 17, 2013, 9:27 AM

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The only ''downside'' I see to the plan of entering on a six-month visitante permit would be IF you wanted to buy a Mexican vehicle (or get a Mexican driver's license) when you are here. In Yucatán a vehicle can only be registered in your name if you have a resident permit (temporal o permanente), and likewise for getting a Mexican driver's license. You may or may not be able to open a Mexican bank account, depending on the bank.
If none of those things matter to you, and if you're planning to visit the US in the summer anyway, the plan makes sense, though all you'd really avoid is a couple of renewal trips to INM in Mérida in subsequent years, and the annual renewal fees (if you went for the residente temporal).


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About those fingerprints. This morning I checked on line to see if I was cleared for an ink up at D.F. H.Q. and I was so I hopped in a taxi and went straight on up there. The process took a lot longer than the other times but still, I think I was out of there in an hour and a half and the only reason it wasn't quicker is because I'd added to my application in the comments section that I'd like to have them include the CURP. They hadn't noticed that part but were happy to comply except it took another hour. I thought this would be the end of it and I'd walk out all credentialed up but noooo. I have to go back and pick up the final authorization from 4 to 6 p.m., maybe tomorrow if the web site green lights me. All in all not bad except for the 50 bucks in cab fare owing to multiple schlepps. Nice people. They didn't seem like jaded bureaucrats to me. The good guys win round one eh?


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A couple of questions:

1) Has anyone brought a family in through a vinculo familiar (family plan) who was on resident temporal status?

2) Should I discuss this plan with the consulate immigration person when I go in today to get my temporal status. I have decided to go that route since I do not yet qualify for residente permanente.
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A couple of questions:

1) Has anyone brought a family in through a vinculo familiar (family plan) who was on resident temporal status?

2) Should I discuss this plan with the consulate immigration person when I go in today to get my temporal status. I have decided to go that route since I do not yet qualify for residente permanente.



"Article 51-

.Record of the proceedings for the regularization of status in mode regularization
by family ties.[VINCULO FAMILIAR] "

"Case presented,

Applicable for foreigner in an irregular situation has ties with Mexican or foreign person resident in the country."

Article 51 of the SEGOB INM rules state a Residente Temporal or a Residente Permanente qualify as they are a legal resident which is needed to sponsor a spouse or partner as a family member.

http://www.inm.gob.mx/static/marco_juridico/pdf/acuerdos/2012/Lineamientos_tramites_procedimientos_migratorios.pdf


Google translation;

"Requirements:

1. Original and copy of passport , identity card and travel or official document issued by authority of the country of origin , containing at least the name of the foreign person ,
nationality, date of birth and photograph;

2. Proof of payment of fees for the receipt and consideration of the application for adjustment of
immigration status , according to the quota provided for in the Federal Law ;

3 . Immigration document if the foreign person had a condition of stay;

4 . Proof of payment of the fine that would have given the authority as provided in the Article 145 of the Act, unless they are in any of the cases that provision
expressly designated as exempt ;

5. If the spouse or partner of Mexican temporary or permanent resident ,

you must have:

a) Written and signed by the applicant 's spouse or domestic partner at that point home marriage ;

b ) Copy of the official identification of the Mexican or current resident card foreign person ;

c ) Marriage certificate , or

d ) Document proving cohabitation according to civil law or document figure equivalent to proving cohabitation granted by competent authority of the country of origin
or residence of the foreigner .

6. Should be son, father, or mother of Mexican or foreign resident person or certifying have legal representation or custody of Mexican or resident alien ,

you must have:

a) Birth certificate if you are a parent of a Mexican or foreign person resident;

b ) Birth certificate if the son of a Mexican or temporary or permanent resident, or

c ) A document issued by competent authority that granted the guardianship or custody a child or adolescent, Mexican or resident alien
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7. Original officially out for regularization in the case of a foreign person credited the other conditions in the detention center. " [ la estación migratoria.- Detention Center or Immigration Station?]


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After giving it more though, I decided to go with resident temporal rather than coming back after 180 days and applying for permanente status.

A bird in the hand and all that
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Hello everyone.....

My wife and I have had a horrible experience at the Atlanta, GA consulate.
We provided bank statements showing well in excess the monthly income requirment. We are self employed and had proof of corporate structure and bank letters verifing deposits. The woman originally looked at us like we were crazy, I guess because we are so young. We are 40. The woman said they need more information. They wanted tax returns. We don't have 2013 tax returns as we don't file until October of 2014. We went back and fourth for a few days until it became a debate as to what the regs say. My point is that we qualify....now that it has gotten heated the lady will no longer consider our self employment income towards the visa requirements.this is ridiculous. She is changing the rules as she goes.


My question is:
Can we go to any other consulates. I hear all the time that some are different than others. One lady I talked to recently, said she quit her job, took her old paystubbs and proof of a modest 401k , was instantly granted temp status.

Does anybody have any suggestions for my wife and I?

We were considering going to another consulate since we have already had problems in Atlanta....do we have to apply only in Atlanta. Can we change our address to another state and apply in that state?

If so, what are the best cities to apply? I am hearing that Denver,Tucson,Houston,Kansas city, and Orlando might be better than most

We were considering going to Mexico on a tourist visa and just renew, however I want resident status so this would put me back 6 months.

Any help would be great


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Dec 20, 2013, 9:19 AM

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Sorry for the unsatisfactory outcome of your interview with a consular official in Atlanta.


Lacking the specifics of amounts you demonstrated to the Atlanta Mexican consular official, let's take a look at conditions to satisfy Mexican requirements for a temporary resident visa, which is what you say you were seeking.


Perhaps the consular official in Atlanta was simply applying the appropriate regulations. Did you have evidence of a monthly average bank balance of, say, $106K, over the preceding 12 months? If instead you showed, say, mutual fund investments, some officials are a bit leery as to their interpretation, and are more comfortable with bank statements.


You could not really qualify on the basis of earnings, as you are self-employed. Even if you can prove that your monthly earnings after taxes exceeded $2.1K over the preceding 6 months, the earning were not from “employment” or pension. The self-employed often have trouble establishing their solvency. Whether or not you would find a more flexible attitude in, say, Orlando, I would not know. I believe I have heard that you can make application at any Mexican consulate, not necessarily the one with jurisdiction in the area where you live and without changing your address of record. (If asked, do not refer to your reception in Atlanta unless asked.) If you attempted to prove your solvency via this route, the official could reasonably be skeptical that you would have the funds to support yourself from ago 40 onward in Mexico.


Please note that on the Atlanta consulate's website, they currently correctly note in the Spanish original that one needs to satisfy either the bank account or investments minimum ($97K USD in the Spanish, but the actual amount needs to be calculated) OR the monthly income amount from employment or pensions. The English omits the “or” between the two clauses. Also, technically, for the first proof, they should have “and/or” where they say, in Spanish, only “or”, but that is common in Mexico that the exact interpretation depends upon with whom you dealing.




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IV. Visa de residencia temporal

Requisito adicional para esta calidad de estancia:
Presentar los documentos que acrediten alguno de los siguientes supuestos:
1. Solvencia económica:

  • Original y copia de comprobante de inversiones o cuentas bancarias con saldo promedio mensual equivalente a veinte mil días de salario mínimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal (aprox. 97,000 usdls.), durante los últimos doce meses; o

  • Original y copia de los documentos que demuestren que cuenta con empleo o pensión con ingresos mensuales libres de gravámenes mayores al equivalente de cuatrocientos días de salario mínimo general vigente en el Distrito Federal (aprox. 1,940 usdls.), durante los últimos seis meses.

END QUOTE, and in their supplied English version:
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IV Visa for Temporary Residents
Additional requirements for this category of stay:
Submit one of the following assumptions:
1. Economic Solvency:

  • Original and photocopy of investments or bank accounts with a monthly average equivalent to twenty thousand days of minimum wage valid in Mexico City (aprox. $106,000 USdls.), during the last twelve months.

  • Original and photocopy of proof of employment or pension with monthly income free of tax equivalent of four hundred days of minimum wage in Mexico City (aprox. 2,100.00 USdls.), for the last six months.

END QUOTE


The Consulate in Orlando has general info in English without the specific tests of economic solvency. However, their Spanish version (below) reads as does Atlanta's, except that Atlanta has in parenthesis USD equivalents (which may not reflect the 3.9% or so increase in the daily minimum salary, to $67.29 pesos, in the D.F., I have not calculated and converted to USD). Perhaps Atlanta's English version reflects the higher minimum daily salary.


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Visa de Residencia temporal
.
Requisitos


IV. Presentar los documentos que acrediten alguno de los siguientes supuestos:
a. Solvencia económica:
1. Original y copia de comprobante de inversiones o cuentas bancarias con
saldo promedio mensual equivalente a veinte mil días de salario mínimo
general vigente en el Distrito Federal , durante los últimos doce meses; o
2. Original y copia de los documentos que demuestren que cuenta con
empleo o pensión con ingresos mensuales libres de gravámenes mayores
al equivalente de cuatrocientos días de salario mínimo general vigente en
el Distrito Federal, durante los últimos seis meses


END QUOTE


Among the other means of qualifying economically for temporary (or permanent) residency is by investing at least about $US106K in real estate in Mexico:


5. Property in Mexico:

  • Original and photocopy of the deed of real property notarized under the name of the applicant. The property has to have a value that exceeds forty thousand days of minimum wage valid in Mexico City (aprox. $210,000.00 USdls.)





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Original and photocopy of the Mexican company’s deed or document issued by the Notary Public in Mexico or certified document by the administrative authority where the state, in which the foreigner participates as an investor in the Mexican national company, also has to affirm that the investment exceeds twenty thousand days of minimum wage valid in Mexico City (aprox. $106,000.00 USdls.), through the buying-selling share’s contract, social parties, the transfer of good’s contracts in favor of the Mexican company, or document issue by the Mexican company. It must also state the amount awarded from the foreigner for his business participation:

    • Original and photocopy of the deed of property of the foreigner’s company that exceeds twenty thousand days of minimum wage valid in Mexico City (aprox. $106,000.00 USdls.).

    • Original and photocopy of a document/documents that prove the development of the economic and business activities in Mexico through contracts, service orders, receipts, business plans, licenses, or permits and a letter from the Mexican Institute of Social Services (IMSS) that confirms the foreigner as the employer of at least 5 employees.




END QUOTE
Note: the Spanish original for the investor qualification does not contain “or” between the clauses.


Finally, and this advice is something I need always to recall, no matter how frustrating one's dealing with a bureaucrat, it is important to keep one's cool and be polite lest one burn one's bridges behind one. (I am not saying that you lost your cool, but the circumstances suggest that was a possibility as matters got "heated.")


viktoremski


Dec 20, 2013, 10:15 AM

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Back in 2005, after a negative at San Francisco consulate, I flied to San Diego, and had my then FM3 issued the same day. Of course, requirements were different in 2005, and I don't know how they treat applicants these days... Also, if I remember right, my San Francisco address was not an issue at SD consulate.
Good luck!


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At 426 postings, it is time to continue with a new thread.

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Am I to understand that they wanted proof of income for you and your spouse ? Would they accept a promissory note secured by real estate ? Is proof of income based on present dollar to peso (@ 20 )


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