Immigration Changes May 2012

Immigration Changes May 2012

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This board has been a great resource for changes to Mexico immigration procedures. Here is an article by Harriet Murray in today's "PV Mirror" paper. She is not a lawyer, she is a realtor, but she is very well connected here in Puerto Vallarta and I have found her advice very accurate the past

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“Over there everything is going to be different; life is
never going to be quite the same again after your passport
has been stamped… It is like starting over again.” - Graham
Greene in “Another Mexico”
Changes in visas for foreigners in Mexico:
1. Visitante: Visitors cannot change their status of residence
(except for humanitarian reasons or those who have links with
a Mexican or are a regular resident alien in Mexico) and they
will have to leave the country at the end of the period of stay
authorized.
The law requires minors traveling alone or without both
parents to carry a notarized letter authorizing their entry/exit
from Mexico.
2. Residente temporario .
3. Residente Permanente: Inmigrado. You cannot renew an
FM-2 or “inmigrante” visa after the fourth annual renewal.
You must apply for “inmigrado” status (which is permanent
residency) 6 months before the visa expires, or you will go back
to a different visa. “Inmigrado” is like a “green card” in the U.S.
by HARRIET MURRAY
Visas for foreigners in Mexico
What visa currently will enable a foreigner
to be exempt from all or partial capital gains?
4. Mexico is introducing a point system also for permanent
residency:
Permanent residency after 4 years of temporary residency
Permanent residency after 2 years of marriage or common law
relationship with Mexican citizen
Permanent residency without 4 years of residency if qualified
by point system
ISR capital income tax for Foreign Residents:
FM2 or inmigrante status, in addition to the visa, must be
demonstrated with proof of residency. This may be done by
showing 6 months or more of original land line phone bills,
Mexican bank account statements, and sometimes CFE electric
bills.
IUD’s determine the maximum value for the sales price of a
property which can be exempt. The current rate of 1,500,000
IUD’s is between 5 million and 6 million pesos for a sale price.
With current currency values, this price is approximately $450,000
USD.
If the seller has not lived in the property for 5 years after
acquiring an FM2, he can have an exemption of the first $450,000
USD of the sale price. He will then owe tax on the difference if his
sale price is higher.
Sellers who have lived in the real estate for 5 years and can
provide proper receipts as mentioned above, and have an RFC
or tax registration number, can be exempt from paying ISR tax.
They can only claim an exemption every 5 years.
This article is based upon legal opinions, current practices
and my personal experiences. I recommend that each
potential buyer or seller of real estate conduct his own due
diligence and review.
You can communicate with Harriet C. Murray at
harriet@casasandvillas.com

stevebrtx

May 5, 2012, 11:17 AM

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Nice, but again, and as usual here in MX, some gaping holes in the dissertation. I am "no imagrado" originally an FM3 in Sept of 2008. So, I would assume by #2 that I am "Residente temporario" at this moment under the new "labeling". Now, come Sept of this year, if I read it correctly, I am qualified for "Permanente"? So, why would I do that with the exception of becoming a citizen? And, what implications, if any, are implied by the "Permanente" regarding car, sticker, foreign plates, income, time out of country etc?
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May 5, 2012, 11:32 AM

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Mexico is introducing a point system also for permanent
residency:

This is still in the future, isn't it? None of these changes have been implemented yet, and there's no way to know when and how they will be.

Rolly

May 5, 2012, 11:34 AM

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what implications, if any, are implied by the "Permanente" regarding car, sticker, foreign plates, income, time out of country etc?

Assuming the rules will be like the present Inmigrado:
You cannot have a foreign plated car. You can't even drive one.
No out of country time limit.
No income requirement.
No more contact with INM except change of address notification.

Rolly Pirate

May 5, 2012, 11:44 AM

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Sculptari,
Nice.

This information fits with pretty much everything we've known since June 1, 2011. It's a little odd that Harriet doesn't use INM's new law's official terminology. The official term for the new temporary resident category is Residente Temporal . Her descriptions of "FM2 or inmigrante" also currently have no long term status in the new law, (they are mentioned only in the Transitional Clauses of the law as identifiers of how the current INM categories will be migrated into Residente Temporal and Residente Permanente).

Good to hear confirmation of what has been described by Rolly, Surviving Yucatan, et al.
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May 5, 2012, 12:09 PM

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La Isla,
The May 2011 "new" immigration law does have some specifics, like the 4 years of Residente Temporal leading to Residente Permanente. The May 2011 new law has a section on a points system (Article 57) with general descriptions of: " Points can be awarded based on level of education, work experience, skills in areas related to the development of science and technology, international surveys, and the skills to develop activities that are required by Mexico. " (Article 57, Item II: http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...-mexico-the-article/).

Since these items have been reported in Mexico's Diario Oficial de la Federacíon as law in May, 2011 ( http://dof.gob.mx/...amp;fecha=25/05/2011 ) , they are official, but don't contain the specificity that we are all waiting for in the anticipated El Reglamento .

To close, this thread's "update" fits the things already published in May 2011 's law, and yes, The "new" law does not go into effect, and many details are up-in-the-air, until the Reglamento is issued.
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May 5, 2012, 12:15 PM

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La Islla,
The May 2011 "new" immigration law does have some specifics, like the 4 years of Residente Temporal leading to Residente Permanente. The May 2011 new law has a section on a points system (Article 57) with general descriptions of: " Points can be awarded based on level of education, work experience, skills in areas related to the development of science and technology, international surveys, and the skills to develop activities that are required by Mexico. " (Article 57, Item II: http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...-mexico-the-article/).

Since these items have been reported in Mexico's Diario Oficial de la Federacíon as law in May, 2011 ( http://dof.gob.mx/...amp;fecha=25/05/2011 ) , they are official, but don't contain the specificity that we are all waiting for in the anticipated El Reglamento .
steve

I´m eagerly waiting for the new law to be implemented. That was the point of my post. Since I just applied for the fourth prórroga of my No Inmigrante visa, I hope the Reglamento that you mention will be in place this time next year.

richmx2

May 5, 2012, 1:31 PM

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People like myself and LaIsla (permanent residents, but without family members here) are most likely the ones who will be affected by the point system. According to this well-written recent article retirees aren't really affected by the changes. The points seem to be slanted towards technical and scientific expertise:

The capacities of the applicant, taking into account his education level, labor experience, aptitudes in areas related to the development of science or technology, international recognitions and aptitudes to perform activities that are needed by the country.

It appears the points will be weighted towards technology and specialized workers but, "aptitudes to perform activities that are needed by the country" will probably include people like us, who work here, have responsibilities and aren't causing (too much) trouble... and not just pro athletes and super-models. One hopes.

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mazbook1

May 5, 2012, 2:26 PM

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Besides being based on nothing except "opinions", legal or otherwise, this particular column adds nothing to our knowledge of what the changes under the new immigration law will be, nor how they will be handled and enforced. Actually, the very first item, #1, is probably flatly wrong, as INM has told a number of folks, semi-officially, that the new "temporary resident" visa, formerly known as the FM3, will no longer be issued at Mexican Consulates in foreign countries, and every newcomer must enter on a "visitante" visa (formerly called FMM or FMT), THEN apply at the nearest INM office for temporary resident status.

Besides, saying that these are changes in May of this year is misleading, as there hasn't been a hint of when the final rules and regulations (necessary before the law itself goes into effect) will be officially published. A lot of folks don't think it will happen until after the new president is sworn in on December 1.

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May 5, 2012, 4:38 PM

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People like myself and LaIsla (permanent residents, but without family members here) are most likely the ones who will be affected by the point system.

It appears the points will be weighted towards technology and specialized workers but, "aptitudes to perform activities that are needed by the country" will probably include people like us, who work here, have responsibilities and aren't causing (too much) trouble... and not just pro athletes and super-models. One hopes.

Hopefully, In my case, being an experienced English teacher and translator will be deemed as "activities needed by the country". Since I work pretty hard (some of the time), pay my taxes and utility bills on time (well, most of the time) and keep the little bit of trouble I cause quiet, I hope I´ll be awarded some of these points.

Sculptari

May 6, 2012, 8:42 AM

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You know, I wouldn't worry about Mexican immigration sticking too closely to a "formula" type points system. Canada has a point system which was devised in the late 1970's because the existing system was largely based on the immigration officer's personal opinion - as in 'would I want to live next door to this person?' It was often abused in the sense that someone with strong religious views, homophobic, or just plain opinionated, could skew or reject an otherwise worthy candidate. The Immigration Act has now become the second most voluminous document in Canada (first is income tax). Now I bring this up because this applies to the 'common law' part of Canada, which must look to legal precedent and tight lists of rules. Many non-Canadians do not realize that the Province of Quebec follows a separate legal system, based on civil law (with some overlap with common law). Quebec has a separate immigration office, and takes each application on its merit, subject to peer review. They take a much more humanist approach to immigration. If someone immigrates to Quebec and spends the rest of their working life as a clerk at Home Depot - well that's nothing to get choked about, just more spice to the stew. Mexico is also a civil law legal system, and is very much attuned and experienced at taking each case on its own merits. The only potential problem spot I could see is that if a very nationalistic political power was elected (a Mexican Tea Party), they might require some level of Spanish fluency for the permanent resident category. Quebec, for example, looks very favorably to applicants who speak French.

GringoCArlos

May 6, 2012, 6:27 PM

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Sculptari quote: "The only potential problem spot I could see is that if a very nationalistic political power was elected (a Mexican Tea Party), they might require some level of Spanish fluency for the permanent resident category."

Is that a bad thing, or better for both a permanent resident and Mexico in general? (and I'm talking about speaking Spanish, not the Tea Party idea)

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May 6, 2012, 7:04 PM

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I think it would be a good idea if expats were given a reasonable amount of time to arrive at a reasonable level of fluency. Does the US have a language requirement for foreigners wanting to be permanent residents?

May 7, 2012, 8:04 AM

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La Isla,
For citizenship*, both the USA and Mexico have their own pools of 100 questions, from which the applicant is given 10. I understand that basic conversation skills are also evaluated by both nations.

Regional Mexican officials have been reported to waive the requirements for people over age 72.
steve

*Edited to distinguish the citizenship vs permanent residency requirements: Thanks Morgaine!
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morgaine7

May 7, 2012, 8:31 AM

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Are you sure that's not for citizenship? I don't know what the US does for the green card, but in Mexico I've never heard of anyone being tested when applying for Inmigrado status.

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GringoCArlos

May 7, 2012, 8:33 AM

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The 4 years needed to get permanent residency status should be enough time to learn passable Spanish, IF one works at it. :-)

careyeroslib

May 7, 2012, 8:39 AM

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In all fairness, Harriet has a regular column and may have been trying to alert people in the Puerto Vallarta area who know liittle or nothing about the new law, or for that matter the old law.

I know Harriet personally and I doubt she meant it as new info for people who read Mexico Connect (or have otherwise been following this whole matter).

I know I eagerly opened this thread thinking it might contain something I didn´t already know. But thanks anyway Sculptari for taking the time to post it.

May 7, 2012, 9:26 AM

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Excellent point !

I misread the previous posts, and mistakenly thought they were talking about citizenship requirements - my bad.
I've been researching the details on becoming a Mexican citizen, so:
" ... man sees what he wants to see, and disregards the rest. "
Too funny,
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Sculptari

May 7, 2012, 11:38 AM

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I believe in Mexico they are not allowed to fail your citizenship based on the lack of Spanish language. I thought this was interesting. Probably a very small percentage of Mexicans, born and indigenous to Mexico, are fluent only in their native language. I don't know how they manage to achieve any education - but it is still a reality. This was a problem in the U.S. as well - many of the migrant workers are from Oaxaca, and many were unable to make use of Spanish language services and resources in the U.S.A.

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/ngno/reports/language/Hierarchy.html

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May 7, 2012, 11:47 AM

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Rolly

May 7, 2012, 11:57 AM

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The only bad thing will be paying a fine for being late renewing.
Only your INM office can tell you how much you will have to pay because the fine is sometimes negotiable.

Rolly Pirate

GringoCArlos

May 7, 2012, 12:37 PM

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I wouldn't worry about the folks at INM being ogres with you - just explain your situation and they will fix it.

When you go to renew your FM-3 after it has expired, there will probably be a fine. 3 years ago, my previous employer dragged their feet telling me that they weren't planning on renewing my visa. A few days before my visa expired they informed me that I no longer had a job and that they weren't renewing my visa. Once I had gathered up all of the required documents, I went in for the renewal/change of visa about a week after the visa expired, and the fine was about 3000 pesos, plus the renewal /change fees.

Unless they have changed the procedure for late renewals in the past three years, the local INM office will send your renewal documents to MX City instead of processing it locally. It might take the MX City INM office 3 months or more to do the renewal this time (seems like they do it when they get around to it when you're late).

They also do not permit you or give you permission to leave Mexico during this process - because you are late renewing. Should you exit for any reason, you will have to start all over with a brand new first-time visa. They make it a real pain in the rear.

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Anonimo

May 7, 2012, 3:16 PM

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If you have to leave Mexico during the period when your visa is in the renewal process, you can apply for a permiso de salir y regresar. (Or words to that effect.) There's a small fee.

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John Shrall

May 9, 2012, 6:49 AM

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3. Residente Permanente: Inmigrado. You cannot renew an
FM-2 or “inmigrante” visa after the fourth annual renewal.
You must apply for “inmigrado” status (which is permanent
residency) 6 months before the visa expires, or you will go back
to a different visa. “Inmigrado” is like a “green card” in the U.S.

It was my understanding that one could not apply for inmigrado status or what would now be called permanente until the day after what would have been the 5th FM2 renewal. In my case, my current inmigrante card expires November 6 2012 and having been renewed 4 times I would be able to apply for inmigrado status on November 7 or any time in the next 6 months following expiration. If the window opens 6 months prior to expiration I can begin the application process now. If not I must wait until November and follow whatever rules are in place at that time for permanent residency. Which way is it?

May 9, 2012, 7:21 AM

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SRE's website reports the requirements for qualifying for Inmigrado status. This section answers the question of when to apply:
" 3. Exhibir original y dos fotocopias de todas las páginas del documento migratorio vigente con la calidad de inmigrante o inmigrado, expedido por la Secretaría de Gobernación, con el que el interesado acredite su legal estancia (Art. 14 RLN), en consecuencia, la residencia en el país durante cinco años inmediatos anteriores a la fecha de la solicitud, el cual deberá tener una vigencia mínima de seis meses, posteriores a la presentación de la solicitud, del que se desprenda la Clave Única de Registro de Población (CURP); "

Carta de naturalización por residencia: http://www.sre.gob.mx/...acion-por-residencia ( bolded section highlighted to aid Mexconnect readers)

Crude Google translation:
" 3. Display original and two photocopies of all pages of the current immigration document with the quality of immigrant or immigrant, issued by the Interior Ministry, with which the applicant attesting their legal status (Art. 14 RLN), hence the residence the country for five years immediately preceding the date of the application, which must have a minimum validity of six months after the filing, which discards the Unique Key Population Registration (CURP); "

So, expats do not qualify for Inmigrado status until they have completed 5 years of Inmigrante (FM2), but they must apply for Inmigrado status at least 6 months before their FM2 expires ~ which means you apply Inmigrado status during the first 6 months of Year 4 of your FM2. Further details and information on FMMs, FM2s, FM3s, and Inmigrado status can be found at http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...xico-fmm-fm2-or-fm3/
Clear as mud?
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May 9, 2012, 8:39 AM

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I just converted my FM3 to a FM2 and you might want to update some of your references in you web site to reflect changes.
1. The fee was 3,889 pesos. 750 for the Inscripcion al Registro Nacional de Extranjeros. 3,139 pesos for the Exp FM2 Asimilado
2. It seems that the income requirement is flexible as mine was under 23,000 pesos. Exchange rates push it over and then fall under.
3. They didn't even look at my CFE bill to verify my address, but I've been living at the same place for ten years. This might vary with each office. Who knows.
4. My current status is Inmigrante Asimilado (I'd really like to know just wat Asimilado means)
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May 9, 2012, 8:57 AM

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Asimilado = assimilated. Like the Borg do?

Rolly Pirate

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May 9, 2012, 9:04 AM

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Asimilado = assimilated. Like the Borg do?

That was my initial concern as I have no wish to be a Borg. From what I understand from the paper given me after receiving the FM2, is that I can work if I notify them.
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May 9, 2012, 9:17 AM

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Good Info !

I've updated the page to reflect the current realities.
Thanks!
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John Shrall

May 9, 2012, 10:57 AM

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So, expats do not qualify for Inmigrado status until they have completed 5 years of Inmigrante (FM2), but they must apply for Inmigrado status at least 6 months before their FM2 expires ~ which means you apply Inmigrado status during the first 6 months of Year 4 of your FM2. Further details and information on FMMs, FM2s, FM3s, and Inmigrado status can be found at http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/...xico-fmm-fm2-or-fm3/
Clear as mud?
steve
I think mud might be clearer but thanks for the information. Since my 5 year Inmigrante period is under 6 months from completion I'll take a trip to INM with cards and copies in hand and ask what the current rules are for application to Inmigrado.

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Judy Parker

May 9, 2012, 11:18 AM

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I know each INM office is different but my husband just received his "inmigrado" and he had to wait until his former "FM2" expired. He went to INM before the FM2 expired to inquire about when he should apply and they told him he had to wait until it was expired not a day sooner. BTW, it took only a month for the new inmigrado card to be ready.

esperanza

May 9, 2012, 7:40 PM

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But...it looks to me like this is all about applying for citizenship. It's about naturalización por residencia--citizenship by virtue of having lived in Mexico long enough to qualify. What does it have to do with becoming an inmigrado?

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You are exactly correct about that SRE page. INM directed me there to get SRE's official description / language of how the eligibility for receiving either Inmigrado status or Naturalization occurs after 5 years of official residency, but that the applicant should make their application for Inmigrado status while they still have 6 months remaining in the 4'th year of their FM2.

They said SRE does not have a specific web-page on this for Inmigrado status, (yet?), but that the Naturalization page describes the same specific requirements for when to file. With the hit-or-miss coverage of internet descriptions of Mex. Gob. laws and rules, this was the best official online description of SRE's policy on when to apply vs. when one becomes eligible.

Same clause, different header,
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May 10, 2012, 10:21 AM

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SRE does not have a page on INMIGRADO because it is an INM matter and NOT a SRE matter.
One can find the INM information for Inmigrado here
http://www.inm.gob.mx/...ratoriaInmigrado.pdf

In addition the INM Manual from 2010 states :

Formato migratorio para trámites de estancia, dentro de los 6 meses
siguientes a la fecha en que venza el cuarto refrendo de su calidad de
Inmigrante.

Which to me means "within 6 months following the expiration of the 4th renewal of the inmigrante (old FM2). The expiration of the 4 renewal means after 5 years of residence and not the six months remaining before the expiration (4.5 YEARS) as you mentioned in your post.

I think perhaps you are confusing that in order to do the Naturalization Tramite with SRE one must have at least 6 months remaining on the validity of their inmigrante (old FM2) immigration document

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May 10, 2012, 2:20 PM

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I think that you are correct, Casa. And you're absolutely correct in saying, "SRE does not have a page on INMIGRADO because it is an INM matter and NOT a SRE matter. One can find the INM information for Inmigrado here
http://www.inm.gob.mx/...ratoriaInmigrado.pdf "

The three government agencies in México that we gringos deal with the most are INM, Aduana and SRE. They each jealously guard their own rules, regulations and information. To try to find out about any subject, and it can be a frustrating experience if you don't know EXACTLY which agency you need to approach. When you approach the wrong one for information, you're nearly as likely to get incorrect information as if you approached someone in the street!!!!!

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Excellent citation! The:

"...siguiente a la fecha en que venza..."

says it all. "Following the expiration date.

My apologies: I have had a cold the past 4 days, adn I can barely type a sentence without making a mistake. bleah
I really have been convolving the Inmigrado rules with the naturalization rules this week.
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May 11, 2012, 6:15 AM

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Thank you, Casa. I wasn't here yesterday to post exactly what you have posted, but that's why I asked YucaLandia the question in the first place. Inmigrado is an INM tramite.

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For people who like to read the official versions of INM rules, you can find Casa's useful reference in Section 8.2 of the DOF webpage on the current INM Manual:
Manual de Criterios y Trámites Migratorios del Instituto Nacional de Migración (Enero 29, 2010)

http://www.dof.gob.mx/...amp;fecha=29/01/2010

Thanks again for hunting down the correct information,
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(This post was edited by YucaLandia on May 11, 2012, 8:43 AM)

Casa

May 16, 2012, 4:02 PM

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I am glad everyone found this helpful

Linda in Morelia

Jun 4, 2012, 11:39 AM

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Harriett's article mentions that the new law "requires minors traveling alone or without both parents to carry a notarized letter authorizing their entry/exit
from Mexico."

We have two nieces (aged 17) coming to visit us in Mexico in June. I wanted to read the reference in the law to this requirement, but I couldn't find it. Can anyone direct me to the specific article/section?

I assume that until the Regulations are issued this requirement will not go into effect. If they issue the Regulations soon, I wonder if there will be any advance notice that they are going to do it. I suppose the safest approach would be to ask the parents to sign and notarize the authorization letter. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thank you.

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Jun 4, 2012, 12:03 PM

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This particular regulation has been in effect for many years.
And, yes, it is definitely wise to get notarized permission from both parents,
Tony

Jun 4, 2012, 12:05 PM

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Linda,
Our research at Yucalandia found that it's not just the "new INM law". Both the US Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) and the Canadian government advise bringing a notarized letter from the parent who is not traveling with the children. The letter should certify that the children have their parent(s) permission to travel with the other parent.
https://help.cbp.gov/...w/parental%20consent. CBP advises:
“… There is not a CBP Form letter, however, the parental consent letter should include: Who, What, Where, When, Why, and contact information for the absent parent(s).
Having the letter notarized is not necessary but highly recommended. For frequent border crossers, the letter should not exceed one year. It is recommended to have the letter in English. …” https://help.cbp.gov/...ntal%20consent/sno/1

The Canadian Govt advises that parents taking children to Mexico:
“…travelers visiting Mexico with children should carry:
a valid passport for each child as required above;
if a child is travelling with only one parent, a notarized authorization signed by the other parent;
if a child is travelling with a person other than a parent, a notarized authorization signed by both parents stating the name of the adult travel companion;
The child’s long-form birth certificate if the name of only one parent appears on it. …”

Seems straightforward, and has nothing to do with the upcoming changes mandated by the "new law",
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Bennie García

Jun 4, 2012, 1:55 PM

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This particular regulation has been in effect for many years.
And, yes, it is definitely wise to get notarized permission from both parents,
Tony

Not only traveling alone but also when traveling with just one parent requires a notarized letter from the other parent. As Tony says, it has been that way for years and not a new reg under the new law.

Vichil

Jun 5, 2012, 1:11 AM

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Weare traveling in Fance with a Mexican child and the French consulate had a form for us in Spanish and French to authorize the child to leave Mexico, on itwe also had to fill a section authorizing a person to take the cild to a hospital in case of an emergency and allowing that person to make decisions with the doctors regarding the treatment. France does not require visa for children but we had to have medical insurrance for the child as well and of course authorization from both parents, not bad things tohave even if not required.

elisseB

Jun 11, 2012, 6:54 PM

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Retiring abroad appears attractive, as many nations are amazing places that are cheaper to live in than the United States However, there are a lot of things one has to consider before pulling the trigger. One can always retire abroad for much less, but one has to do their homework first. There are some expenses and charges abroad. Taxes are due to the country one lives in and the U.S. Some countries have a double-taxation treaty, where they agree to give Americans a break, but not all do and the terms vary, so one has to thoroughly check out the legal ramifications.

RickS

Jun 11, 2012, 6:58 PM

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"Taxes are due to the country one lives in and the U.S."

With respect to Mexico, you might want to check out that statement.

Jun 14, 2012, 5:47 PM

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