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scott

Nov 24, 2002, 4:17 PM

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Argued Out

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Hi, its interesting reading your opinions, I'd like to see more opinions as well. But as for myself, I think I got my point across, and well, I'm a little argued out for now.....

Would you believe I just met a white person claiming to be Japanese??? Thats a first...... Like, she just got here from Japan Japanese.... Jennifer Rose, if you're reading, thats not another gringo in Santa Maria!


Brad.

Nov 24, 2002, 4:30 PM

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Re: [MarisolEnPlayas and Scott] ¿Les cuento el cuento de nunca acabar? nmg

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¿Te lo cuento otra vez?


CanMex

Nov 24, 2002, 5:30 PM

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Re: [MarisolEnPlayas] Read Again the Post

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MARISOL, I am having a hard time figuring you out. I know you mean well, you sound intelligent, understanding, caring etc... on all but the subject of drug legalization. I would be willing to bet that you can read a pro drug legalization post and only remember that you are against, by the time you get through reading it. If not, you sure work hard, to try and prove that you don't.

I have yet to see you agree with one word of all the pro drug legalization posts. And you admit yourself QUOTE fm post # 58 "so I won't waste my time with you on this."UNQUOTE Does this mean that you know it all, and don't need to know more, or does it just mean that you are on a one track mind and damn the torpedoes no matter what?

I have read all the posts in this thread, and I have not seen one state that Marijuana does not cause damage or that it is not addictive, as a matter of fact most say that it does and so does tobaco and alcohol.

Yet you say QUOTE # 58 "As far as the Marijuana debate, it's obvious you haven't read a medical resport or psychological report on the effects of prolonged use"

Have you read a medical report on damage and addiction of tobacco and alcohol?

I will just tell you from experience, I have seen more than one person quit drinking and Marijuana, but unable to quit tobacco.

Are you a smoker or have you ever been, if so either you are still smoking or had a hell of a time quitting.

Where did you get the idea that the FDA and AMA disagree with Canadian Senators? The Senators never said that it was not addictive or not damagable. Their recommendation is based pretty much on the same reasons that tobacco and alcohol are legal. And who do you think would give money for lobbying for legalizing drugs, certainly not traffickers.

Yet you say QUOTE #58 "The FDA and AMA disagree with a group of Canadian Senators, and honestly, my money would go on the wisdom and experience of physicians educated in the area rather than people that decide things based on lobby dollars. Again, please read the medical and psychological reports before you spurt out these silly references."

You also say QUOTE #58 "It's also obvious you don't have any experience with the violence associated with distribution of it. Some people prefer to live in la la land rather than accept the facts and I don't waste time trying to sway these folks because they aren't worth the effort."

Are you saying that legalization would increase the violence with the distribution? Why would it cause more violence, than the distribution of tobacco and alcohol?

Let me pull a Doctor Phil here; How has illegality, of Marijuana, for over 50 years, been working for you?

Ask your husband, if he would have been dealing Marijuana, if you could have bought it at the corner store cheaper than cigarettes. Ask him, if Marijuana dealers would have existed, and a lot less, cause violence.

Do you realize they could be selling Marijuana cheaper than cigarettes and still collecting Billions in tax money, that they could put to work against all kinds of substances. Even if you had some people switch from tobacco to Marijuana it would be a blessing since smoking tobacco is more damageable and addictive than Marijuana. they could then, more easily quit Marijuana.

Just be sure that you are not the one living in la la land.

Do you think that maybe there could be more to legalization, than what meets the eye, would it be worth looking into this a little further. Thanks for your attention.


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 24, 2002, 6:32 PM

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Re: [scott] Argued Out

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Scott,

I like you more and more...smile. I hope we don't get censored, because I think you and I have developed a nice discourse, even with all the disagreement. THIS is why I love forums like this. You get an opportunity to grow and learn from others.

I find you to be a remarkable man. The fact that you stand by your opinions impresses me, even if we disagree on some philosophic basics. What I like, is the fact that you actually DO care about Mexican people even if it wasn't entirely reflected here. I feel your caring and I know you are trying to learn more. That to me, is what forums are for.

I too am learning. Honestly, I never realized how isolated Canada was from the Latino culture. I took it for granted that it was very much like the U.S. Thank you for teaching me something new.

Take care, and again...you and your family are lovely.

Marisol


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 24, 2002, 6:41 PM

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Re: [Brad Smith] ¿Les cuento el cuento de nunca acabar? nmg

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Brad,

La historia otra vez! Por que? No se!


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 24, 2002, 7:15 PM

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"MARISOL, I am having a hard time figuring you out."

A lot of people do CanMex...LOL In summation, I've always been an oddball! I think the problem lies in the fact that people try to conveniently slot others into neat little categories. The fact is, some of us just don't fit into those nice little square peg holes. If it provides you comfort, they say the same thing at work. They say, "oh that's Marisol, she's in Marketing and she does the ads," and that conveniently explains that I'm some entity that doesn't quite fit into the engineering mindset even though I market engineering ideas...LOL If it helps, I've been analyzed with an extreme right-brain with left brained ideas...and a tendency to be a Creative Directive. To me, it's mumbo jumbo for the fact that I am probably autistic rather than artistic.

"I have yet to see you agree with one word of all the pro drug legalization posts." That's because I don't agree and I never will based on experiences I had in life and the people I've known, not to mention a brief stint out of college as a medical underwriter for individual policies. I read enough medical charts and spoke to enough physicians to realize that marijuana was not the innocent drug that many pot smokers try to make it out to be.

As far as cigarettes and alcohol, I completely agree. No, I do not smoke, never have, never will. I do have an occasional drink but it's really not my thing either. My husband doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs at all...but he's a complete health nut. I like meat too much to eat chicken and tuna all day...so we have a disagreement in diet.

I haven't said that I feel substituting ONE substance for another is healthy...You are assuming that. I feel it all is bad, including alcohol. I think a well adjusted person can enjoy life without any of it and that's why I rarely embibe in alcohol any more. I drank a bit when I was younger, but I've never been a real BIG drinker.

"Where did you get the idea that the FDA and AMA disagree with Canadian Senators? The Senators never said that it was not addictive or not damagable." Can I refer you to Scott's post? Actually in that post they did. And the FDA and AMA would not agree with that standpoint in any realm. As a matter of fact, I don't see any of the medical community saying, "by all means, smoke a joint." Why? Because they don't endorse the use of marijuana because it is not healthy.

"Are you saying that legalization would increase the violence with the distribution? Why would it cause more violence, than the distribution of tobacco and alcohol?"

Yes, I'm saying that promoting drug use would increase the violence and increase the lack of ambition that goes along with it's use. I'm saying that smoking pot does not enhance one's existance and that a human being has better odds of succeeding in life without using it. I'm saying that the temporary memory loss from smoking pot would indicate that it is not a healthy substance to inhale and I'm saying that if you don't have to use it to numb you, one is better off.

I'm also saying that the legalization of cigarettes has caused a high degree of lung cancer and other assorted illnesses, enough so that they've had to alter advertising to protect the consumers, some of which are under age. I'm saying that the consumption of alcohol has contributed to many deaths as people get behind the wheel and don't realize they are impaired, just as the legalization of pot might do. I'm saying that the legalization of alcohol has also contributed to a high degree of spousal abuse and family breakups and I would say that pot abuse might have the same effects. I'm saying that substituting ONE distributor for another would not cure these problems but legalization of the substance probably would enhance them.

"Let me pull a Doctor Phil here; How has illegality, of Marijuana, for over 50 years, been working for you?"

In answer to your question, yes it has for me personally.

"Ask your husband, if he would have been dealing Marijuana, if you could have bought it at the corner store cheaper than cigarettes. Ask him, if Marijuana dealers would have existed, and a lot less, cause violence."

Actually he was dealing arms, but I just asked him and do you want to hear his answer? He said he would have been dealing other drugs if it hadn't been marijuana, so legalization of that drug would not fix the problem. Now, based on that, should we legalize heroine too? How about methamphetimines? What next? I mean based on your argument, if we legalize these things there would be no more problems with those pesky gang members dealing drugs, right? Ah, but then guns are legal and they deal those! So....maybe we could legalize murder and that would solve that little pesky problems. No more drive by shootings outlawed, that's for sure! And then we could legalize theft. Do you feel me here?

Actually, marijuana smoke is ten times worse on one's lungs than tobacco because they hold it in...but I won't bore you with the stats on that.

In summation, NO, I don't think there could be more to legalization than meets the eye for the examples I've provided above. I think justifying a need for a substance only substantiates failure in one's life. Why not provide people with something more positive, like the ability to THINK CLEARLY and have short term and long term memory. Why not promote something that hasn't proven to be mentally addictive and allow people to reach their potential. Don't you feel that would be a more POSITIVE battle to take on?

My dear CanMex, I lived in Santa Cruz, the land of the burnt out hippies. Anyone can travel through town and see the wonderful aftermath of such "creative" thinking as legalizing pot. I'll give you a prime example. I was walking by a street corner one day. A young man puffing on a blunt had a circle of quarters laid out on the sidewalk in the shape of a peace sign. It only needed three or so quarters to complete the circle. He told the other young man, "help me complete my peace sign dude."

The young man reached down and grabbed all the quarters and put them in his pocket and said, "done." The blunt smoking man, looked befuddled and amazed. It clearly had never occurred to him that there were many ways to think about completing that circle. I surmise if he had been drug free, that may not have ever happened. As a matter of fact, he may not have been on the street corner at all, because he probably would have had a higher degree of motivation. THAT is why I'm opposed to marijuana.

Also, because I watched a dear friend have their life go steadily downhill because they couldn't go a day without smoking the stuff. It went from a joint while partying to waking up to a joint. Then a joint at lunch during work, then after work and eventually this man went from someone that was caring and warm and creative to a zombie. Miss me with that!


CanMex

Nov 24, 2002, 7:29 PM

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Re: [MarisolEnPlayas] You are American

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Marisol,

I did not tell you, latina or not, how you should approach being latin or anything else. You seem to have a tendency to spin things. I was merely telling Scott that I didn't agree with his comment that you should not cling to your latina roots. You can read it again below, apparently you do not remember.

QUOTE"Don't cling to your latina roots, what's the point. If you think Mexican culture is so great, then go live in Mexico. If you are in the United States, assimilate."

I would rather say cling to your latina roots if it makes you feel good, but when outside of your latina world, respect the right of others to have their own roots. UNQUOTE

How did you come to this conclusion QUOTE I'm sorry but to hear someone that is White tell me how I should approach being Latin is laughable. Should I provide you with advice on how to be White? Would you listen? Not likely! UNQUOTE

I can understand that there have been prejudice comments made, but why the hell are you take it out on me? And when have I made prejudice statements? And when have I given views that a race was an authority on how others behave? And what the hell has my girlfriend to do with this? The only thing I have said about behaving, is that it should be done with respect to others. As far as I am concerned we are all free to do what we want, just as long as it does not hurt anyone else.

As far as this statement I fully agree with, except for the racial part. Privilege for certain people I agree, where I disagree is "Those people happen to be white. There are millions of people of color who are priviliged, where have you been? QUOTE "What I do know is that historically and currently there IS privilege for certain people. Those people happen to be White. Should you apologize for it? NO! Should it be changed? Yes. Racial profiling, racial intolerance, racial preferences in the workplace, financial arenas, and political arenas should not even be an issue in 2002 in the U.S. But it is. UNQUOTE

As far as this statement, again I agree with everything, except the economical part. Sure those that are well off, and living in a good safe neighborhood are not wanting to leave, but you just go in the poor neighborhoods, and they will tell you, they wish they had the money to get their family out of there, and move to a safe drug free neighborhood. Maybe you should go slumming and learn something. QUOTE "The reason those Black folks live in enclaves in Memphis and have a decent financial portfolio has NOTHING to do with economics. It has to do with the fact that they feel a comfort with their own people that they don't feel with everyone. Why? Because SOME people have agendas that aren't favorable to their race. It's the same with Latinos. Many of us prefer our own communities to living in a homogenous community where our kids here racist jokes and Betty down the street boycotts against the color we choose for our house because SHE doesn't like the color green or whatever. We don't find that in our own communities. UNQUOTE


QUOTE "Why is it that people that never lived in our skin, feel they have more knowledge about us than us? That never made sense to me. Have you ever had someone ask you if your parents slaughtered pigs in the yard because that's what they thought your race did? I have. Have you ever had someone tell you that you look exotic? I have and I hate it. I don't look different or exotic. I look very normal for my mix. You see? I could go on and on, but I won't bore you. UNQUOTE

You say skin, I say shoes, because it is the same for everyone. And I say before you condemn somebody you should put yourself in their shoes. If someone asked me if my parents slaughtered pigs in the yard, I would have to say yes and I had to help with the gutting and the cleaning of the carcass, when we needed chicken, it was my job to chop the head off. And anybody who has not done that, and eats meat, are just paying someone else to do it for them, which is worse? Exotic, everyone is exotic in a different land, when I was in Vietnam, Vietnamese who had never seen light eyes and light hair found us exotic, even those who had seen it before were kind of attracted to looking and touching. What hit me the most was when I went into a bar and asked the barmaid, who had served us the day before, if she had seen the guy I was with yesterday. Her Reply was how should I know, you alll look alike to me. It sure gave me something to think about, You see, it's all relative.

QUOTE "Learn about your future wife, by all means. But PLEASE don't profess to be an expert about something until you've worn the shoes." UNQUOTE

I have learned everything I need to know for now, in the past 5 years we have lived together for approx. 1 year on and off, and for a year now we have worked out, all our differences and are confident that we will be able to work out, all future problems.

I don't know your life history, but I would suggest to you, to heed your own advice.

I have lived in a 10X10 house, with her and her 2 kids, and sometimes the chickens. I have taken care of the goats with her. I am used to walking outside to the water tap (no inside plumbing) and going to the outhouse, killed a few chickens etc...

Thanks for your input.


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 24, 2002, 7:38 PM

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Re: [CanMex] Read Again the Post

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Now I have a question for you...

Why are you all so interested in inflicting this little social experiement of legalizing pot on the people of Mexico? Why wouldn't you inflict this on your own countries?

Don't you think that the poverty levels in Mexico would indicate that many lives could possibly be ruined if the experiment failed and they indeed DID become addicted to pot? And if you feel so adamant about pot being legalized, then why not PROVE you are right in your own respective countries?


CanMex

Nov 24, 2002, 8:03 PM

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Re: [MarisolEnPlayas] You are American

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Marisol,

You have a tendency to generalize, I agree with you that those who do that should not, and I have seen some ignorant Americans, one of them a retired professor he acted like if, Mexico was a colony of the US and that they should cater to his every wish, to the point that I would not go anywhere with him anymore.

But then you have many of them who are respectful and try to learn the language If they already have not. Personnally I bought a course in Spanish for my computer one year before I went to Mexico. I can read, write, understand and talk where I can be understood in Spanish, my girl friend can count to 8 in english that's were she quit.

As far as legalizing drugs, they are talking about everywhere period. The Canadians and the Americans have been talking about it for a long time I don't know about Mexico, although someone said that Fox was talking about it (hear say)

Again when I said, do as the Romans, that was for everybody everywhere. Don't take things so personnal. As I said before, you have a tendency to read in, things that are not meant.

Hasta luego


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 24, 2002, 8:06 PM

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Re: [CanMex] You are American

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Please read the following quote from your post...

"I did not tell you, latina or not, how you should approach being latin or anything else. You seem to have a tendency to spin things. I was merely telling Scott that I didn't agree with his comment that you should not cling to your latina roots."

Why would you even assume to tell anyone what I should do with my Latina roots? Are you Latino? Have you experienced the event? Do you see my point? I don't think either one of you would have any life experience as a Latino, based on what you've told me about your roots to explain this to me.

"I would rather say cling to your latina roots if it makes you feel good, but when outside of your latina world, respect the right of others to have their own roots. UNQUOTE"

My dear, I would rather say, don't propose to tell others what they should do with their heritage, unless you've lived in their shoes. However, I DO respect the rights of others to have their roots as I've continually posted.

I have not indicated that you are prejudiced, but that you assume the right to tell others how to approach their cultural associations. Now, that might be assumed to be attempting to take some privilege except that I don't think you realize it. It's like me saying to a Gay person, "well in my opinion, you should approach being gay like this..." I think the Gay person might wonder if I was out of my head, since I have no experience being gay, even though I have a ton of friends that are indeed Gay.

So you are denying that historically there was white privilege? My dear, history books may disagree with you. Are you denying that it still occurs? Then what is racial profiling? Why is there such a disparity in the incomes of minorities and whites? Why is the housing and economic disparity so great? Why is it that statistically minorities are more likely to serve a sentence for committing the same crime as whites? Why is there a disparity in the amount of medical treatment that minorities obtain compared to whites? No privilege? That's hocky puck and you know it if you look at the stats.

As far as slumming, I spent all the way up to Junior High in some pretty nice barrios...smile. Not everyone wanted to get out of there. Some liked the fact that they had friends and neighbors that they related to in those neighborhoods, which is why many affectionately refer to them as, "the hood." Maybe YOU should go slumming. You might learn that some of us miss those relationships and actually PREFERRED the relationships we had in those ghetto neighborhoods. After all my dear, it's not ALL bad! Yes, there are other factors that make you want to leave. When the plumbing is broken and not fixed you aren't saying..."gee, I love it here." When kids fight you because of any assortment of reasons it's not glamorous, but I can tell you that one of my best friends STILL, beat the hell out of me in grade school. She jumped me with three other girls and ripped my top off. I was humiliated and pretty beat up...and guess what? Later we got to know one another and I love her dearly to this day! I think you watch too much t.v. Even the gang bangers used to watch out for me, even though I didn't want anything to do with them. Why? Because I lived on their street...their territory...and I was part of their "hood" even though they thought I was a snotty bitch that felt she was better than them and they frequently made fun of me and sent me home crying. Later on, I found out that one of them had a crush on me...which may have been why he worked so hard to make me cry. Basically, I was considered a geek in my neighborhood.

When we moved to an upscale neighborhood, I can tell you at first I liked it, but I ended up missing that feeling of belonging and the smells of my old neighborhood and the old lady down the street that used to give me cookies and candy, and the old crazy man that had too many cats, and even the old Irish lady that was married to a Mexican man that cheated on her. I missed them all and visited a great deal.

Exotic to me means different. Different is a relative term. Different than what? In the United States, there are so many cultures, which one would I be different to? I'm sorry, but I HATE the term...but that is a personal dislike. Oddly enough, my light-skinned Black friend feels the same about it, so I surmise there may be others.

Before you suggest to others how they should perceive themselves, may I suggest you bite your tongue and try perceiving yourself? We all have the capabiltiy to change and I don't think any ONE race has the margin on how other races should act. That, in my mind is up to them.

By the way, I'm not picking on you. I'm telling you that I do not appreciate you trying to educate me about myself. That is quite logical.


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 24, 2002, 8:11 PM

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Re: [CanMex] You are American

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CanMex,

I am talking specifically about Latino culture and Mexico...so yes I'm generalizing like everyone else. I did not say that every American comes to Mexico with the same attitude, but we both know many do.

As I said, if you aren't a citizen of Mexico, then why try to force your values and ideas on Pot to them? Try your social experiments in places first where you ARE a citizen and allow the Mexicans to form their own conclusions. As of now, they feel it should be illegal. If they change their mind on that, as an American citizen, I will respect their decisions. it's not my right to ram my beliefs down another country's throat...no matter how strongly I feel about it...get it?


scott

Nov 24, 2002, 8:57 PM

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I, for one, don't believe that a person has lived life until they've tried a few hits of Acid, or at least mushrooms. In my humble opinion, neither are addictive, and neither are harmful. Even if the government completely regulated it, and only allowed each citizen one night a year to try it, I honestly believe people have a god given right to know what LSD is like. This does not mean I endorse people tripping every weekend, with people wandering around on LSD everywhere you look. But, I feel the government has no right, none at all, to deny the use of LSD. Even if it is only allowed under supervision by a registered psychologist, or something. Essentially, my argument is that, if there is no direct harm in something such as LSD, which is not physically addictive either, then no one has the right to deny you of that experience.

I hardly drink, and hardly ever do drugs. I absolutely refuse to go near anything such as cocaine, heroine, etc, and never in my life will I even try those. Because I believe they are addictive, physically. I don't believe Marijuana, mushrooms, lsd, and probably other stuff like peyote are bad for you, in moderation. That does not mean I am a drug addict.

The last time I smoked Marijuana was in January. My friend and I got dirt cheap air fare to Waikiki, so we went for a week, stayed for dirt cheap in a hostel, etc.. Anyway we met some other people, went out to a resaurant, then we went to go to a disco. Well, all my friends went in, and its up a staircase right at the door, and well when it was my turn, the bouncers informed me that in the United States of America, it is against the law for a 20-and-a-half year old to go to a night club. My friends already inside, I started telling my sad story to a random stranger. To cheer me up, he said "lets go smoke a joint", and so we went and sat on a park bench and smoked some hash.

That was the last time. Now tell me that your drinking laws in the United States are not completely stupid. Here in Mexico, young girls can go to the disco. I've had a 15 year old in my company, going to the disco. She had maybe one beer, and that was that. Its not a big deal. They can control themselves, and they don't go crazy and poisen themselves with alcohol the first time they get their hands on it.

So if a kid can't drink in the United States until they are 21, naturally, they are just going to go find some weed. Just like I did. This is why prohibition of anything is silly. If kids can smoke a little weed, they might do it here and there. And they won't have to get involved with shady people to do it. Smoking a little weed never did anyone any harm. Its not a big deal. Personally, I don't like it. It makes me think to much. I think about things I don't want to think about. It makes me slightly paranoid. So, personally I don't like it very much. But, that does not mean I don't think people have a god given right to smoke it if they want to. Who are you to say a blue collar factory worker can't come home and smoke a joint before bed. If thats how he wants to live his life, thats his prerogative. You or anyone else have no right to say this blue collar factory worker can't smoke his marijuana after work, just because you have seen several people who can't handle it. For the majority, its not a problem. People have a god given right to smoke marijuana, or any other drug that is not harmful.

Cocaine, no. I accept as fact that if you snort cocaine twice or more, your body becomes to some degree dependant on it. I accept this, and the obvious consequences, and therefore I am not suggesting legalization. Well, except maybe once per year under supervised conditions, or something. People have a right to do whatever they want, as long as it does not directly affect anyone else. I do not accept that marijuana, mushrooms, lsd, and possibly others, are directly harmful. Or really, even indirectly harmful. Its more harmful that people risk eating a bad mushroom, and dying 2 hours later, than if the mushrooms were grown and picked under government supervised conditions, where you know that what you are eating is really a shroom.

Likewise, I think that if I am a Canadian citizen, I have a god given right to get on a plane in Toronto and fly to Mexico, without neither the airline or government knowing who I am. That is, of course, if I volunteer to go through the 'strip search' line, or something up that alley. I feel, the government has no bloody right to invade on anyones privacy, or right to do what they want if it is not directly harmful to anyone else.

Why? I'm afraid I don't have faith in the government. I feel special influence groups have to much power to persuade. I don't feel people are smart enough to elect good politicians. I for one, have a hell of a lot more faith in the Supreme Court of Canada, than I do in the government as far as creating proper and just laws. I have a hell of a lot more faith in Canadian judges, and Canadian senators, as neither are elected, than members of parliment (congress?). They are appointed, presumably on merit, and I have more faith in them as a result. They do not have to answer to, or risk loosing their jobs based on the power of special interest groups to persuade.

I'm going to bring up something fairly controversial, just to illustrate my point. Under not-tested-in-court Canadian law, it was illegal to describe, or write about, even in your own diary, anything involving sexuality of people under the age of 18 years old. But, the legal age of consent in Canada is 14, nation wide. This made it illegal, for example, for a 17 year old boy to write in his diary about having sex, or loosing his virginity to his 16 year old girlfriend.

So, we have a pedophile named William Sharpe. He wrote boy love stories. Perhaps the police confiscated a story he wrote about his neighbors child. Yes, its evil. And under written law, illegal. So he went to court, etc, etc, and eventually it reached the supreme court.

The supreme court ruled that, it is constitutional to outlaw distribution of these stories, as it could be harmful to someone. But, they also said it violates freedom of expression to deny someone their constitutional right to remember their own thoughts. Hence, the final ruling, Mr. Sharpe is allowed to write his stories, as long as he never, ever, ever in his entire life shows them to anyone. Likewise, they declared it legal for a 17 year old boy to write in his diary about his sexual relations with his girlfriend, as long as he too, never in his entire life showed them to anyone.

Well, every special interest group in the whole damn country accused the Supreme Court of legalizing child pornography. These special interest groups caused quite a ruckas.

The point is this. No elected person would ever want to deal with all these special interest groups, and hence, would never propose a law saying "yes, a 17 year old can write about sexual relations in a diary, as long as he never shows anyone". They would never do this, first because who the hell would openly advocate something like this, lest every special interest group in the country label him a pedophile, and second, what member of parliment would ever support this, for fear of being smeared as being a pedophile himself during election time.

But really, whats the big deal. Is it really a crime for a 17 year old to write about his feelings, if he never shows anyone? Who does it hurt? No one. But, the government of Canada thinks its a crime. Because they have to answer to very powerful special interest groups.

So. The moral of this story is that it took unelected people, who don't risk losing their jobs, to find this unconstitutional. Secondly, given the chance, government will be more than happy to take everyones rights away. Thirdly, sure it was a noble idea outlawing boy love stories. But, it has unintended consequences. You outlaw teenage diaries, where otherwise law abiding teens risk going to jail for writing about a LEGAL activity in their diary.

If these teens aren't doing anything harmful, why should it be illegal? Sure you can say, "oh they will never get caught, so whats the big deal?". But thats not the point. They shouldn't even have a thread of uncertainty that they risk going to jail, for something so completely innocent.

Essentially, by saying marijuana should be outlawed for everyone, because you've seen poor latinos who can't handle it, you are saying in effect the same thing as teenage girls shouldn't be allowed to write about their legal sexual intercourse in their diaries, because the distribution of boy love stories is bad. Do you understand the connection I am trying to make? You inadvertantly affect otherwise law abiding citizens, by outlawing something completely that only a small fraction of the population has problems with. The other parallel I'd like to draw with this is that I'm sure there are many, boat loads of people who would otherwise support legalization of something so innocent as marijuana, or teenage girls writing in their diaries, but don't for fear of being labeled either a pedophile or drug addict. People have careers, et cetera, to think about.

Therefore, I think it should just be legalized, because people shouldn't have to fight for these basic rights, they should just have them by default. I mean, people who enjoy marijuana should not have to risk stating that openly, especially when it is something so trivial. Its a basic right, if they themselves are not hurting anyone.

And finally, just to directly link this, just as I have faith in the unelected supreme court to protect the rights granted in the constitution, I have more faith in an unelected senate committee based on merit, when they say Canadians should be allowed to smoke marijuana. I have more faith in their report, than any report out of any other government agency. If the Senate says marijuana is not harmful, it won't tarnish the image of any one. Its just their recommendation based on a long term study. If Health Canada, ie a government organization, supported legalization, it would directly impact the image of the minister responsible for that department, and in turn, the government.

In conclusion, if the Senate of Canada says marijuana should be legal, I believe them. But of course, its not going to happen any time soon, as long as the United States is still our neighbor to the south. Unless the supreme court, unelected, declared it unconstitional, and hence the government could claim they have no power over it.

Oh one more interesting tidbit about Canadian politics. Did you know the Supreme Court of Ontario ruled it violated a womens right to not let her go topless, just like men? It took the Supreme Court of Ontario to do that. Can you imagine any elected politician bringing a "Lets let women go topless" bill to the table?". Not likely.

I hope this made sense.


CanMex

Nov 24, 2002, 9:06 PM

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Marisol,

Again you are taking things out of context, I did not agree with Scott telling you to drop your latina roots because it is your right but then it is also your responsibility to be respectful of others, and this for me and/or anyone else.

What would be wrong with me saying to a Gay person cling to your Gay persuasion if that's what does it for you, but when outside of your Gay world, respect the right of others to have their own sexual preference.

And I don't intend to hash that one again.

Again spinning. I never have said that there was no White privilege (and I could take offence but I won't, that you single out Whites on an issue that applies to all races) I merely pointed out that privilege was not restricted to White but to all Colors. And not only now but since the beginning of man, who do you think was gathering the Blacks to be sold for slavery, Blacks were and then selling them to whites.

As far as ethnic neighborhoods, you admit yourself that some want to get out of there, you not all want to get out. So what was so bad of me saying that.

You are right exotic means different, and it applies to everything, culture, looks, race also people animals etc...

Again you are spinning, I never told anyone or suggested to anyone how to perceive themselves and I have never stated that one race was better than an other.

I am not trying to educate you, I keep telling you not to take things personnal that are not ment to be.


CanMex

Nov 24, 2002, 9:14 PM

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Marisol,



Again you are jumping to conclusion and/or spinning, in reference to your statement below. People discussing this issue are from 2 o3 different countries, and are talking in general, I have not seen one post that specified a country.



"As I said, if you aren't a citizen of Mexico, then why try to force your values and ideas on Pot to them? Try your social experiments in places first where you ARE a citizen and allow the Mexicans to form their own conclusions. As of now, they feel it should be illegal. If they change their mind on that, as an American citizen, I will respect their decisions. it's not my right to ram my beliefs down another country's throat...no matter how strongly I feel about it...get it? "


scott

Nov 24, 2002, 9:20 PM

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Marijuana Party of Canada

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Why are you all so interested in inflicting this little social experiement of legalizing pot on the people of Mexico? Why wouldn't you inflict this on your own countries?

Inflict has negative connotations. Legalization of marijuana is not a bad thing. It's a good thing. It should be done everywhere.

I voted for the Marijuana Party of Canada, in the last federal election. I was lucky to have a candidate in my riding. Unfortunately, only a fraction of the ridings had candidates. Nevertheless, I believe they received something like 66,000 votes or more, and our country has 31 million people. 66,000 Canadians used their vote to support the legalization of marijuana.

This party supports marijuana legalization, and absolutely nothing else. They keep their mouthes shut on all other issues. They got my support because I felt they were the only party to actually support personal freedom.


CanMex

Nov 24, 2002, 9:40 PM

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Scott,



I just had an after tought, have you heard about the isolated village in Quebec or Newfoundland, I don't remember which, where the kids were inhaling gasoline fumes for getting high, and a few of them died.



They tried for a year or so to get them to stop and could not, they finally had to get them out of there, and in an institution to treat them.



This is a good exemple that making drugs illegal won't work. In this case there were no drugs available but the kids found something else. Proof that the problem is not with the legalization or illegalization, but with the way children are raised.


scott

Nov 24, 2002, 9:43 PM

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who do you think was gathering the Blacks to be sold for slavery, Blacks were and then selling them to whites.

See... Its always white people. White people this, white people that. How come no one ever mentions black slavery in Mexico? Eh? Only evil white Americans had black slaves I guess...

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/feature/ethnic/bv/brief.htm

How come we all know about black slavery by white America, and not by Mexicans?


scott

Nov 24, 2002, 10:24 PM

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Sniffing Gas / Drug Prices in Mexico.

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Yes, that is very sad. And an excellent example.

I had this in the back of my mind, during earlier rants, but didn't know or think of how I could use it to further my point, without making it look overtly racist towards natives..........

Marisol, there is a tendency among poor, hopeless native Canadians, to sniff gasoline. We are not making this up, its a fact. Maybe a year or so ago, or less I can't remember, a native reserve declared a state of emergency, or something, because they couldn't get their kids to stop sniffing gasoline. I think the government took them to a special place. And if I recall correctly, after some period of time, I saw an update stating these kids were back to sniffing gas. This happened in Newfoundland, the most eastern Canadian province.

Is it better for kids to grow some marijuana in their parents garden, at a cost of absolutely nothing, and smoke that, or to be sniffing gasoline? Assuming these kids are going to be looking for something to ease their pain, no matter what.

I'm going to show you something else Marisol, you could quite possibly be aware of this. Have you ever researched the price of drugs in Mexico?

These are well known statistics on the Internet, usd:

Zoloft in Canada: $1.07
Zoloft in Mexico: $1.96
Difference: 83% more expensive in Mexico.

Paxil in Canada: $1.13
Paxil in Mexico: $1.83
Difference: 62% more expensive in Mexico.

These are two of the ten best selling drugs in the United States, both used for depression. First of all, its crazy that the drugs are so much more expensive in Mexico than Canada, and second, how is a Mexican making 10 pesos an hour supposed to afford $1.83 or $1.96 / day in medication?

This to me, is very sad. I feel very sad knowing that there are probably many thousands of people, or young people, who would benefit greatly from these medications. But how are they supposed to afford these prices in Mexico? Not only are the prices so much more than in Canada, but if you look at it based on percentage of daily income, I'm sure Mexicans are getting royally screwed.

If marijuana were legalized, they could just smoke weed instead. Ok, that isn't actually serious. But its a thought anyway.

www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/hosbjor_presentations_e/40love2_e.pdf

(disclaimer: Prozac is in fact cheaper in Mexico)


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 25, 2002, 4:58 AM

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Scott,

I realized by your tenacity towards fighting for marijuana, that it probably was something you used occassionally, so this post is not exactly news. What surprised me was the LSD referernces. All I can say to this is I'm sorry for you and it might explain some of the other things.

I will respond to both you and CanMex here. Drugs are illegal in Mexico. Yes, kids sniff paint fumes. Yes, kids do any number of things to get high in lieu of drugs. Kids also shoot up heroine. They also car surf. Sometimes they drive too fast and race on public highways. As a matter of fact, there are kids that participate in MTV's Jackass show and others who think it's "cool" to push the envelope. Some of these kids grow up and never get injured. Others end up as quadreplegics or with severe injuries. The moral of this story is teenagers are still growing and developing and defining their personalities. Social psychologists will cite you the stages of development and explain to you that teenagers are in a stage of development just before adulthood, where they are defining themselves and experimenting with new roles.

People that smoke pot at parties while young, for the most part mature out of it. Many of the foolish things we do in our youth, we age out of. Even gang members age out of it, so I don't tend to hold people's poor decision making against them. I believe you may age out of your current views on drugs as well, because you seem like a very intelligent man.

If you want every drug in the world legal in Canada, that is your business because that is your country. But to inflict, and yes Scott...with the current medical data it IS inflicting, this social experiment on a country that already is reeling from past governments and poverty, when they can't even afford to fix the current problems they have, then you are pushing your views on them. As I said, if Mexico chooses to legalize drugs then I will respect that. But the idea that I know what is best for the people of Mexico and their well-being seems a bit arrogant to me and I won't take that privilege, nor should they give it to me.

This arrogant attitude that both of you have that you know what is best for the world pisses me off at times. It is PRECISELY the privilege that I've been discussing, and it is only more sickening when it is accompanied with the wholesale denial of privilege...albeit it is the latest version of political correctness among many Whites today. The other one, is to call the minority angry or unhappy, or imply that when they defend their right to equality, they are somehow militant. Some approach it by telling people like me that I need to "smile" more, implying that somehow my belief in myself implies that I lead a very unhappy life. Very few like you tend to see how militant you are in trying to ram YOUR opinions on what minorities should do or act like as militant or even at the best, EXTREMELY SELF-SERVING and RUDE.

I surmise nothing I say here will change that because both of you are in denial about even having the right to tell me how I should approach living in my own culture. CanMex dances around dialogue by saying he simply is "telling me" that I should approach my Latin roots like this....however I should treat others with respect." He doesn't get that he doesn't have the right to "tell me" anymore than I have the right to TELL HIM how to approach being Canadian. He keeps missing the point!

As far as the marijuana debate....and Mexico...I'm not nearly egotistical enough to feel that my views on this are the last word for the Mexican people! As far as the marijuana debate for MY country? I feel that legalizing pot would be a disaster for the reasons I have stated. Does this mean I go out into life in some evangelical attempt to stop all pot smoking? No. As a matter of fact I have friends in Playas that smoke pot and while I won't allow it at my house, I don't preach to them. They are adults and have made their decisions and the decisions they make will or will not affect their lives. One young man I know here though, seems like he has difficulty these days without a joint and just had a baby, so I have my opinions on that, but unless he asks, I don't get involved. I certainly don't hate him for his poor decision making.

What I don't understand is the fact that you appear to hate kids that make a choice to join a gang, yet you endorse drug use. What's the difference? Those kids could argue that they have the right to hang around in groups and just because SOME kids beat up others doesn't mean they will. Besides, they are helping you obtain your drugs by doing you the favor of distributing them and heck, according to you, that's a good thing, right? So what if a person get's shot occassionally! It's all for the good of mankind, because as we know, you can't fully develop as a human being until you've altered your mind....just ask Timothy Leary.


CanMex

Nov 25, 2002, 6:02 AM

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Marisol,

Do you think we could see what we agree on, instead of disagreeing with each other. If we want to get somewhere other than arguing, we must change something.

Can we agree that:
Drugs are a problem.
Been illegal for over 50 years.
Law enforcement fighting it for over 50 years, with absolutely no effect on reducing drugs whatesoever.
More people than ever using.
More people in Jail for drugs than ever.
A sane person would deduce that it's not working, and that another 50 years of doing the same thing will not stop it either.
It's time to try something else.
If a person was sick or a car was not functioning properly, would it not be wise to try and find out what is causing the problem before treating or repairing, and/or before punishing the person or kicking the car.
We would be better off, putting our efforts towards finding out, why people are using.


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 25, 2002, 8:06 AM

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“Do you think we could see what we agree on, instead of disagreeing with each other. If we want to get somewhere other than arguing, we must change something. “

Yes, I agree that drugs are a problem. I agree that they’ve been illegal for over 50 years. I agree that Law enforcement has been fighting the problem for over 50 years.

Let me give you another scenario…

Murder is a problem. It has been illegal for over 50 years. Law enforcement has been fighting the problem for over 50 years. Should we legalize murder because the number of murders have gone up? I mean after all, the old methods we’ve been using have not reduced the amount of murders, right?

Your reasoning and deductions are silly given the scenario above.

It's time to try something else. YES, how about education? How about providing people with hope? How about losing the barriers that provide people with a sense of hopelessness? How about building self esteem through pride organizations geared to help potential victims of drug use? How about losing the holier than thou attitudes that make certain people (in ALL races) feel they have the ability to tell others how to live in their races. How about mutual acceptance and respect?

Do you suppose if people lost the fear and hopelessness, they might not have a need to use drugs? After all, as I keep saying, if one has a basically happy life, then why on earth would they feel a need to alter their minds or numb their feelings? One would assume that people such as this would want to enjoy all the leverage that full brain capacity and the wonderful feelings that accompany good mental health, don’t you suppose?

Question for you...why is it so important for you to convince me that you are right? I have no problem with you having a different opinion than mine, but obviously, we are not going to agree on this.

Another question...why is it important to Canadians to change Mexican laws about drugs? Shouldn't it be important to Canadians to change their own laws first?


keith

Nov 25, 2002, 8:11 AM

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bombadill

[Sat 23 Nov, 07:37]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) Soft to Hard - (16 replies)
Just read an article that smoking cannabis leads to harder drugs . I disagree and think it's down to the personality of the user

SPEAK FRIEND AND ENTER

thaires

[Sat 23 Nov, 08:26]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 1. That
linkage was long ago refuted and I'm surprised that anyone's still trying to make the case. They used to call it the gateway drug.

The way people have made the case before was they go to a heroin user and ask if their first drug they tried was marijuana. The guy says yeah: linkage proven.

You could go to alcoholics and ask them if they used to drink milk as kids: You did? Milk leads to alcoholism!

There is absolutely nos cientific reason why marijuana would lead to any other drug. If it did, I would be a full on heroin addict by now -- yet I don't do ANY drugs -- including alcohol -- with the exception of an occasional puff.

That's been the case for the last 25 years.

CLBaggins

[Sat 23 Nov, 13:07]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 2. I sat out...
for some time as my friends got giggly because i truly feared smoking the joint would lead me to the hard stuff: TOBACCO!

But it didn't.

THE GREAT THING ABOUT FREE WILL IS IT ALLOWS A GUY WITH A DESTINY TO REALLY FUCK IT ALL UP. Camboman

[Sat 23 Nov, 13:21]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 3. Actually, smoking cannabis leads to...
the munchies. According to research.

Travel photographic galleries at:
http://www.pbase.com/camboman/root peteywheatstraw

[Sat 23 Nov, 13:23]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 4. worse!
I heard that harder drugs lead to cannabis.

I dont really like traveling but its the only way I know of to get to where I want to be. keithr

[Sat 23 Nov, 15:47]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 5. no
It leads to levity. Can't have any of that. Gotta keep things serious. Act respectable!

http://home.attbi.com/~ramsay52/home.html Kiwi_Razz

[Sat 23 Nov, 20:10]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 6. more research
There was a report on the news the other day (in Australia, original report could have been from the UK) link marijuana and mental problems.

Now I do know a couple of people who have well and truly lost it, and they did smoke marijuana and take tabs of LSD or E regularly, but you could tell these people had the potential for mental problems even before they had them. I think it comes down to personality and genes more, than a cause and effect from drugs.


nell7

[Sat 23 Nov, 21:50]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 7. yeah, but
marijuana isn't magic pixie dust. You're kidding yourself if you think it has no ill effects.

CLBaggins

[Sat 23 Nov, 21:52]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 8. Once...
...when I was happily on my way to the drugstore for chocolate to treat a bad case of munchies, I looked down and there was a $5 bill on the ground. Naturally I picked it up, even knowing I was just imagining it because of my happy state of mind,and bought my chocolate with it, 'cause when I came down and it vanished, I wanted to be sure I had the change in my pocket.

It worked, too!

THE GREAT THING ABOUT FREE WILL IS IT ALLOWS A GUY WITH A DESTINY TO REALLY FUCK IT ALL UP. thaires

[Sat 23 Nov, 22:10]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 9. 7
I don't think either the thread or the responses to it have said anything about whether there are any ill effects. I don't think that's the point. Lots of things, particularly intoxicants, have ill effects. People feel the pleasure outweighs the detriment. Obviously, that's a subjective issue but ALL of the evidence, empirical and anecdotal, indicates it's a pretty fair trade off when it comes to marijuana. (Unlike, say, alcohol.)

Unless you know where I can get some magic pixie dust?

thaires

[Sat 23 Nov, 22:13]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 10. Should have
mentioned: I am in no way advocating any kind of "substance abuse", including the use of marijuana. I do object to people's straining to demonize it or mmake it somehow less "respectable" than alcohol which is not merely condoned but celebrated -- despite the fact that alcohol causes FAR more damage to both individual lives and society as a whole.

JasonDogget

[Sat 23 Nov, 22:40]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 11. Pot beats the bottle
I have been smoking pot for 35 years. During that time I ran a successful engineering firm, wrote papers for professional publications, two books, and was on a college faculty. Some of my friends and colleagues who drank and didn’t smoke didn’t do so well at home or at work. Using neither may be best for one’s health in the long run, but if abstinence is not your thing, pot beats the bottle.

bombadill

[Sun 24 Nov, 01:45]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 12. Just the point
I was trying to make is answered by 11 ,I have smoked for over 30 years and although i have dabbled with amphetamines lsd and e i always worked on the basis that anything in moderation was alright i came of the last 3 substances with know problems what so ever and have just recently gave up the puff not because i was getting parnoid or any other disorder i just decided to give up smoking completely i have not had any urge to go back to either as i feel i have enough will to do what i want. All the time i was on drugs i was still able to go to college for 6 years progress in my carrier to supervisor status raise a son who has a 1st class attitude travell to many places have a good standard of living etc it really is down to the person is my veiw

SPEAK FRIEND AND ENTER

thaires

[Sun 24 Nov, 02:08]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 13. In the interest
of full disclosure and accuracy (not that anyone cares): I miststated my history in my 1st post; I meant to say that I have had an occasional puff for the last 25 years and that I CURRENTLY do no other drugs. I have done other drugs in the past (though even those occasions followed my first canabis use by several years and were vouluntary experimentation -- not some kind of compulsion caused by the canabis.)

Jeffro

[Sun 24 Nov, 03:25]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 14. Highly recommended
Street Drugs, By Andrew Tyler, the facts explained, the myths exploded. The drug workers bible, apparently.
ISBN 0-340-60975-3

tropicalbreeze

[Sun 24 Nov, 20:09]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 15. ...
Anyone who says that marijuana leads to use of hard drugs is just trying to justify the prohibition of marijuana. There is no real reason why marijuana should be illegal, but I guess that could be the subject of another thread!

A new stereophonic sound spectacular nell7

[Sun 24 Nov, 21:17]
PST (Gumly Gumly -17) 16. I want to clarify
I have smoked pot in the past and don't have a problem with it as an occasional drug. But sometimes I think there is such a huge backlash against those who would like to restrict it, that we go into this glory song about how pot can do no harm. I have known some who were lovely potsmokers but horrible drinkers and vice versa. Some people do not suit pot, and it is terribly easy to fall into bad habits with pot. I must say now I am going through a period of not smoking it, I am surprised at how much better my life is. I used to think I'd hate it, but I actually like the even keel.
Basically, marijuana is a drug, and drugs are unnecessary froo fra that we introduce into our brains. I have never met anyone who was a better person because they smoked pot. Not saying shouldn't do it, just don't lets over-praise it.


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 25, 2002, 8:20 AM

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“Do you think we could see what we agree on, instead of disagreeing with each other. If we want to get somewhere other than arguing, we must change something. “

Yes, I agree that drugs are a problem. I agree that they’ve been illegal for over 50 years. I agree that Law enforcement has been fighting the problem for over 50 years.

Let me give you another scenario…

Murder is a problem. It has been illegal for over 50 years. Law enforcement has been fighting the problem for over 50 years. Should we legalize murder because the number of murders have gone up? I mean after all, the old methods we’ve been using have not reduced the amount of murders, right?

Your reasoning and deductions are silly given the scenario above.

It's time to try something else. YES, how about education? How about providing people with hope? How about losing the barriers that provide people with a sense of hopelessness? How about building self esteem through pride organizations geared to help potential victims of drug use? How about losing the holier than thou attitudes that make certain people (in ALL races) feel they have the ability to tell others how to live in their races. How about mutual acceptance and respect?

Do you suppose if people lost the fear and hopelessness, they might not have a need to use drugs? After all, as I keep saying, if one has a basically happy life, then why on earth would they feel a need to alter their minds or numb their feelings? One would assume that people such as this would want to enjoy all the leverage that full brain capacity and the wonderful feelings that accompany good mental health, don’t you suppose?

Now, why do Canadians want marijuana legalized so badly in Mexico? Nobody seems to answer this. I can understand if you like marijuana, that you would want it legal in your OWN country, but why force your likes and dislikes on other countries?


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 25, 2002, 8:24 AM

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Never said that smoking pot leads to harder drugs. Some do go on to other drugs, some don't. But smoking pot definitely leads to laziness and memory loss. And if the person doesn't age out of the habit, they tend to wake up and need a joint and continue through the day with that pattern.

The sad thing is, marijuana smokers are usually living in denial like tobacco smokers. They rarely see themselves deteriorate and would vehemently deny that their choices change. Funny though, everyone around them tends to notice. Why is that?


MarisolEnPlayas

Nov 25, 2002, 8:32 AM

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I like the phrase, "I have never met anyone who was a better person because they smoked pot."

Please explain to me how pot enhances one's life? Please explain how it benefits society. Please explain how a person who it otherwise healthy in mind and body would need pot?

How does smoking pot help one's lungs? How does smoking pot help one's mental state? How does smoking pot benefit one financially? How does smoking pot help raise children? How does smoking pot help in any way that would merit the need to force it on Mexican people that clearly don't want it?

This is why I feel drugs are social genocide. People often try to force them onto countries or communities that are not equipped to treat the ill effects. People within these areas have enough problems so why add one more, unless....
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