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robt65

Apr 11, 2011, 6:55 AM

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If you were driving this week between Mexico City and needed to go to McAllen Texas which way would you go? Which crossing would you use?

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Rolly


Apr 11, 2011, 7:43 AM

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I would cross into Texas at Laredo and drive to McAllen on the Texas side.

Rolly Pirate


Brian

Apr 11, 2011, 8:55 AM

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The most recent travel warning recommends against land travel through the states of Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and San Luis Potosi. If you aren't going to fly, then you really don't have much choice. I don't see the value of driving all the way up to Laredo and then adding nearly an additional three hours to your trip by then heading back down southeast to McAllen. I also can't understand why people are willing to take an extra 30 minutes to use the Colombia crossing rather than Nuevo Laredo. No one can predict where an incident might occur at the moment they are passing through. If I absolutely had to make the trip you propose, I would just take the autopistas 57 and 40 up to Monterrey and then across to Reynosa. Although I hate to pay tolls, my previously preferred route around Ciudad Victoria is now just out of the question.


Altahabana


Apr 11, 2011, 3:33 PM

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Robert: I would avoid the autopista between Monterrey and Reynosa. I think Rolly's suggestion is the best one. Most of Tamaulipas is even more unstable than usual. Omnibus and Noreste have suspended service between Reynosa/Matamoros and central/south Tamaulipas. There hasn't been direct service from Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo for nearly a year.

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robt65

Apr 11, 2011, 6:15 PM

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I also do not relish the prospects of a lot of extra driving up to Laredo before crossing but, . . . . . . . I also hate having to change my pants on the highway (if you get my drift) as an adult. So maybe the most prudent thing to do is to invest the time. Besides I respect the suggestions of both Rolly and Altahabana on this one. If anything changes you think might be a factor in my choice, I would appreciate an update.

The bean jar seems to either have a heck of a leak of white beans or maybe the black beans are just multiplying! How long a run is it from Laredo to Matahuala, pulling a loaded 16 foot cargo trailer? Anyone have a good guess on that one?
Thanks for the suggestions.
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Apr 11, 2011, 6:29 PM

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We do it in 6 hours in a car.


Altahabana


Apr 11, 2011, 6:40 PM

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You are really only adding the 140 miles in Texas by traveling to NL. NL and Reynosa are roughly equidistant from Monterrey.


panama john

Apr 11, 2011, 7:34 PM

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Robt; Be careful and watch your speed limit if you travel from Laredo to McAllen. Most of those small towns on the US side are speed traps. We are traveling to the border on the 16th of this month, and will take the cuota from Saltillo to Mercedes,Anzalduas Bridge. Our final destination is Harlingen, Tx. 30minute drive from McAllen.instead of 2-3 hours from Laredo.


robt65

Apr 11, 2011, 8:31 PM

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I have looked at it carefully Altahabana, I feel it will take me about three hours going the speed limit to reach Laredo. It will take another Maximum 2.5 hours in permit and Aduana time maybe three. That's 5 hours. It will take me about 8 hours with the trailer to drive to Matahuala. That's about 13 hours. That doesn’t leave enough daylight to make that in one day. As I recall at Christmas I went from Colombia # 2 to Matahuala and got through customs at around one or one thirty, including all permits for trailer and truck and travel and arrived at about nine PM in Matahuala. That included one additional Aduana stop south of Monterrey as well as one or two other checkpoints. Decisions, decisions . . . . damn I hate these kinds of decisions.

Altahabana, do you think taking the cuota makes a difference between Reynosa and Monterrey? I would be taking the cuota all the way. I can make Matahuala by about 6:00 PM. I can also skirt Monterrey quite easily versus coming the other way around Monterrey. I am really at a loss at this point. Not only from the money point of view, I just do not like taking that cuota from Reynosa to Monterrey.Do you have any other suggestions Altahabana?

Panama john, you have my cell phone number, I sure would appreciate a phone call with a road report once you clear the border. I believe I will be leaving within five days after your arrival. I am currently in Mission in our travel trailer. The travel trailer will be staying here. I will be pulling my 16 foot cargo trailer. Both close to the same weight. Where do you overnight when you come north? PM me if you wish. We should meet anyway. I don't mind driving to Harlingen if you are going to be around a couple of days or so . . . . . that is if you have the time.

Thanks All
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Apr 11, 2011, 9:09 PM

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Just a thought, depending on your personal stamina, but in the U.S. you *can* drive at night so that first 3 hours to Laredo can be done early enough that you are crossing at first light. For that matter, if you think it's going to take several hours with Aduana, you could cross a little before dawn, say at 5am. So if you clear Nuevo Laredo by 9am, you'll make Matehuala early afternoon. If you don't want to drive at night even in Texas, go to Laredo the day before and overnight at a truck stop. No matter how much inconvenience the extra time and driving may be, it's a world better than running into trouble.


robt65

Apr 11, 2011, 9:48 PM

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Reef Hound,

Your knowledge and expertise runs a close third behind Altahabana and Rolly (take that as a compliment - it was meant as one!) (smiling). I have been thinking about that also. Does anyone know the hours of operation of the Aduana and or the Permit office at Laredo crossing? I have never been through that crossing before. I don't even know which way to go when I do cross. I can drive for about 10 to 12 hours max before I start fading.(smiling)

I will also have a three year old Chocolate Lab with me for a little girl with a birth disability in Sonora, that I will have to walk a little about every three hours. No I am not going to Sonora, the parents and the child are coming to our home to get this companion for this little girl. Her family are predisposed to having other children with disabilities so no more children (sisters or brothers) for this couple. They wanted a dog like our Chocolate Lab for their little girl and so there we are.

I have to get two little girls her father home and another little girl her new forever home dog. So I appreciate any and all suggestions here. How do I reach the cuota from Laredo after crossing? Is the cuota close to the crossing with a pretty direct route to it? give me some answers here folks. I need the help, cause one way or the other I will be going, I don't like letting kids down!

Thanks All
robt65 (now almost 70)


Reefhound


Apr 11, 2011, 10:05 PM

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Laredo services are 24/7, at least bridge 2. Back when I would take the bus we would cross around 2am and then when I started driving I followed the bus schedule until last year when I decided night driving had gotten too risky.

Crossing at bridge 2, it's a bit convoluted to get to immigration. Somewhere on here or another forum I wrote detailed instructions with google maps and street views. But basically you hang a left on Calle Bravo immediately past customs, a right on Colosio to the light at Hidalgo, then left onto a two lane road that loops back and under the bridge to immigration. Easier than it sounds. See this map. Immigration building is between bridge 1 and 2. After immigration, come back the two lane road to Colosio and turn left, this takes you to Mx85 where you go left and stay on this until you run into the interior checkpoint and soon after the cuota.

Here's an overview map showing how Colosio loops along the east of the city by the river and meets Mx85. It's a 4 lane road with a median and only a few lights on it. You can use street view to see exactly what the streets and intersections look like.


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Apr 11, 2011, 10:13 PM

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Oh, and when you're coming across the bridge don't get in the right lane. That's for buses and there will probably be a long line of buses. It would suck to wait an hour or two in that line and then see you're in the wrong lane. On the other side of the bridge they split the buses from the cars, buses go right and have their own inspection bays. Cars and small trucks go straight and choose from the Declarar or Nada Declarar lanes. I wish they would move Aduana over and send everyone to the right like the buses because they dump directly into the immigration parking lot rather than the convoluted path I described. But there are blue signs for Permiso Vehiculo guiding you.


robt65

Apr 13, 2011, 2:36 PM

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I have been speaking to some Mexican friends here in the RGV of Texas. Most are from Mexico and many have direct family that are from the areas of or around Saltillo, San Luis Potsi and Monterrey. All of them will no longer travel via Reynosa. They have a name for the area of Tamaulipas from San Fernando to Reynosa and call it the "Corredor de la Muerte."

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Altahabana


Apr 13, 2011, 3:51 PM

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At Bridge Two all traffic with nothing to declare is diverted to the left into a new area, so all vehicles with items to declare go straight ahead. If you choose Bridge Two you (1) take a left at the very first street after you clear and then go about 6 blocks until the street merges into Coloso, the loop road. (2) There is no traffic coming from your left so it is easy to enter. However get into the far left lane immediately. (3) At the first traffic light about a 1 km from where you enter you will make a long U past the lanes of Coloso heading to towards the bridge onto the access road. (4) Once on the access road you go about 1 km and you will see the Immigration station on the left. You can visual it easily when crossing the Bridge.

Columbia Bridge may be physically easier to navigate, but it doesn't open until I believe 8 a.m. I won't comment on the saw nothing, heard nothing thread someone just posted on crossing at Columbia on Monday. Her experience is indicative of nothing except what she saw/didn't see on her 40 minute trip. There are problems out there regularly.


robt65

Apr 13, 2011, 6:13 PM

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Thanks again altahabana,

Is signage of the streets well marked? Such as entering into Bridge 2? . . . . or that long U Turn? What about transitioning onto the Quota heading to Mexico city? Where does one do that after crossing Bridge 2 in Laredo?

Thanks,
robt65


donemry

Apr 14, 2011, 5:57 AM

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Altahabana, I apologize for not getting mugged on the way to the Colombia crossing, maybe next time.


Altahabana


Apr 14, 2011, 6:43 AM

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Considering the unstable situation that exists in Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, responses like this are best appreciated by ex-pats from the interior whose understanding of the risks to travelers in the Frontera is marginal or non-existent. I live in Nuevo Laredo and only see armed Zetas moving around the city a couple of times a week and I know what to look for so it is hardly surprising that you saw nothing during your brief glimpse of the front lines as you transited through. I am glad you made it safely and I mean that sincerely.


robt65

Apr 14, 2011, 7:23 AM

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Hello altahabana,

. . . . . . "Considering the unstable situation that exists in Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, responses like this are best appreciated by ex-pats from the interior whose understanding of the risks to travelers in the Frontera is marginal or non-existent."
I would venture to say that many of us (and probably the majority of us) living in the interior also do not appreciate such responses. I for one am grateful for your time spent, keeping us all up to date on various cartel related problems closer to the fronteria. Some folks will not understand they also have to travel through those areas more prone to cartel conflicts. Bravado is a false friend. Many will never understand, until they get stopped once (as my brother in law and I did near C.D. Victoria couple of years ago) . . . it really is a mind bending experience, that I hope to never be a part of again.
Please, keep your information coming to this forum. It is a valuable tool to many of us making our travel plans.
Thanks
robt65


Altahabana


Apr 14, 2011, 9:04 AM

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Many will never understand, until they get stopped once (as my brother in law and I did near C.D. Victoria couple of years ago) . . . it really is a mind bending experience, that I hope to never be a part of again.

Nothing brings the reality of the narco insurgency home more than being detained at a narco retén by coked up, masked matones in flack jackets carrying assault weapons. I view posts by travelers saying they passed through the Frontera safely without seeing anything as personal messages to friends not to worry because they are home safe. Trying not to sound too harsh, such messages are of little value to others in assessing the security situation in a particular location.




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mexicobuff

Apr 14, 2011, 9:12 AM

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My experience is that people will believe almost nothing about Mexico unless they themselves have experienced whatever the topic might be. Otherwise, folks seem to go around with their heads in the sand. "What do you mean, narco gun battles? I didn't see anything in MY neighborhood." Trying to get people to understand that even though they don't see it, it still happens has been a losing proposition for me. Most folks prefer to be ignorant.
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chinagringo


Apr 14, 2011, 9:15 AM

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Robt:

In defense of Altahabana, I know that he follows and posts on other forums whose participants often appear to be clueless that there is anything happening in the areas being discussed. As soon as someone makes a post such as: "I just made the trip and didn't see a thing", others react positively with observations such as: "things must be getting better" and "besides, I have never seen anything either".

Because of the age of MexConnect and the wide range of member's experiences, in my opinion you see a more mature and more experienced membership. Face it - there are many out there who no longer pay attention to what day it is, let alone to the news from their country of residence. It is far easier to live in a make believe world!
Regards,
Neil
Albuquerque, NM



Altahabana


Apr 14, 2011, 10:39 AM

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I am pretty thick-skinned so it doesn't bother me if someone doesn't like what I post. Besides I live in Nuevo Laredo and my business brings me into contact with sectors that are affected by the situation in the Frontera. I have a pretty good idea about what is happening in Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, and the 40 minute experience of someone passing through once every six months or so probably isn't going to add to or change my understanding, much less cause me to do something I wouldn't otherwise do--e.g. travel on the Piedras highway (Hwy. 2) towards Columbia bridge.

How do I reach the cuota from Laredo after crossing? Is the cuota close to the crossing with a pretty direct route to it? give me some answers here folks.

Once you get what you need at the CIITEV immigration/vehicle permit station located between the two downtown bridges the rest is easy. (1) When you exit the parking lot, you go take a right and retrace the route you took to get there. The access road--where you made the wide U-turn on your way to the CIITEV station--ends at a traffic signal and you simply merge onto the Coloso, the loop road around Nuevo Laredo. (2) Coloso is divided highway for about six-seven miles and as you round the bend near the Nuevo Laredo Civic Center you will see the Monterrey Highway (Hwy 85) overpass in the distance. (3) As you approach the overpass get into the far left lane and after the light you will make a left onto the Hwy 85 access road and then onto Hwy 85. (4) After about 8 miles you will come to the junction with Highway 2 (right---Columbia detour; left--the Riberena to Reynosa). You continue straight and about 1-2 miles past the junction you will come to the interior Aduana checkpoint. (5) After clearing the Aduana checkpoint you simply continue on Hwy 85 and it will turn into the autopista about 20 miles further on down the road.


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robt65

Apr 14, 2011, 7:50 PM

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Chnagringo,

I hope you are not thinking that altahabana requires any "defense" from anything I have said to him in my reply. I completely agree with Altahabana. I do not like the extra driving from McAllen to Laredo and I am not familiar with the crossing there; however safety wise, I think it is the lesser (in terms of potential problems at this time) of several other possibilities. Both the Laredo and the border crossing at the Mission, Texas Anzalduas Bridge, have different positives from my particular perspective and use. Laredo is an older bridge and not the most efficient setup from necessary office visits for the immigrant. The Anzalduas Bridge on the other hand is new and very efficient on the Mexican side, and has a pretty direct rout (although more expensive) onto south of Monterrey and then an easy merge with Hwy 57 and the cuota heading south.
I hope my remark in an earlier thread . . . . my quote ” I would venture to say that many of us (and probably the majority of us) living in the interior also do not appreciate such responses.” . . . . was intended to point to the remark made by donemry, to wit . . . . . “Altahabana, I apologize for not getting mugged on the way to the Colombia crossing, maybe next time.” . . . . . . I thought that remark was not called for.
Altahabana, thank you for the directions. . . . . having never crossed at Laredo bridge # 2 before it is still confusing to me . . . . . probably because I am not familiar at all with the landmarks that you point out. Probably after a time or two crossing there all will make more sense to me.
Robt65


donemry

Apr 15, 2011, 9:13 AM

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Columbia Bridge may be physically easier to navigate, but it doesn't open until I believe 8 a.m. I won't comment on the saw nothing, heard nothing thread someone just posted on crossing at Columbia on Monday. Her experience is indicative of nothing except what she saw/didn't see on her 40 minute trip. There are problems out there regularly.


My somewhat snarky reply was in response to this perceived snarkiness. If nothing bad happened, then nothing bad happened. The tone of your posts tend to suggest that something bad will happen to anyone that chooses to cross at Colombia. You are right in that my 40 minute experience may not be indicative of the general situation in the Neuvo Laredo area. However, it is indeed just a 40 minute experience and not camping out on Highway 2 for two weeks. In my judgement, that 40 minutes is less harrowing than the other 18 hours of simply driving in Mexico and being concerned about accidents. YMMV


Altahabana


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You described the short time you traveled from the intersection of Highway 85/2 to the Columbia Bridge as uneventful. Fine. If the purpose of starting this thread though was to make some broader point about highway safety/security along the Tamaulipas border, it has little value. I said there are problems related to narco activity out there regularly, a far cry from saying that something bad is going to happen to anyone who chooses to use that crossing. If you don't want to believe that there are problems out there believe that. My advice was offered to Robert in any event.

Some people swear by Columbia because for them they perceive it as a more convenient option. The relative convenience is debatable in my opinion and pretty subjective, but the decision to use it for convenience is not unreasonable and I won't argue with someone who uses the Columbia crossing because they think it convenient. But whether the use of that highway poses some increased risk because of the narco insurgency is not nearly as subjective a subject. That is why I made my 40 minute glimpse comment. I don't see how that brief glimpse could be the basis for any conclusions about secrurity/safey on that road, much less an opinion that it is safe/secure.


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robt65

Apr 15, 2011, 1:00 PM

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Hello All,
Both last night and today the local (Spanish and English) television stations have been reporting From interviewing the Chief of Police Office in Reynosa, the local (Spanish and English language) both the state and federal police as well as the army are going to have all available personnel out in force during the holidays. Although not mentioned in this particular story the same was said about the highway between Reynosa and Monterrey. This should be a big help, I think.
http://www.krgv.com/...tG0yUusKTyvG4FQ.cspx
What I personally do not like about the Reynosa route to Monterrey are the very long and desolate stretches’ without any gas stations or other businesses before reaching the more populated areas south of Monterrey. It is too easy to access the cuota with a four wheel drive vehicle. It is also very expensive, especially pulling a trailer. What I do like is the really good Fronteria services all located in one building as well as the simple and more or less direct way to the connecting cuotas to Queretaro.
Robt65


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Apr 15, 2011, 1:09 PM

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I think the tone of his posts was that something bad *could* happen.

Even on the most dangerous highways in the world, the vast majority of travelers make it without any problem. Are you of the belief that there is no such thing as a excessively dangerous highway in the world? If not, name a highway you consider to be dangerous.

It comes down to what one considers acceptable risk versus reward. If you told me I have a 90% chance of winning a poker hand, I'm absolutely all in. But if you tell me I have a 90% chance of driving a road and nothing bad happening, I'm avoiding that road if I have a safer alternative. A 10% risk on a drive is simply unacceptable. Even a 1% risk or a 0.1% risk, when the standard of safety for most roads requires a decimal followed by lots of zeroes.

Rob, just to add to Altahabana's directions to the cuota, once you pass the interior checkpoint it's a fairly short distance, maybe 10 km or so, and the road makes a Y with the libre going off to the right and the cuota to the left. Just a heads up, because sometimes a lot of traffic, especially truckers, is going right.And the old highway was there first so the libre looks directionally straight while the cuota looks life a left lane exit. See this street view.


donemry

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Gee, there is far more drama form reporting that I had no issues crossing at Colombia than the actual crossing itself. I made no claims, I just reported my experience as fact.


RickS


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I for one did not see any 'snarkiness' in Altahabana's post. I suppose it depends somewhat on the 'thickness of one's skin (coming from a thin-skinned person!) and whether or not the post was directed at me or someone else.

But at the end of the day, what I think we have here is a person (Altahabana) who lives/works/and has numerous friends and business partners in that part of the country. As such his information and advice is golden to me, not only due to what he writes but 'how' he writes it.

On the other hand there are 'many' travelers who take the roads of which he speaks with little or no consequences. And somebody is doing this on a daily basis.

I just don't want to be the one who 'takes the chance' and does pay the consequence with either my life or my assets. Yes, indeed, YMMV. It's just that I've already got 70 years on 'my mileage' and I tend to want to err on the side of caution.


robt65

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Road Update from McAllen Area to Queretaro Area

My friend John and his daughter just left Harlingen this morning at 8:30 AM crossing at Mission, Texas crossing at the Anzalduas Bridge. They arrived at our home near San Juan del Rio at about 8:30 PM this evening. He tells me the drive was good with a lot of federales and military presence some checkpoints and all was well.This is good to know.


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Can they be sure they were really federales and military? Don't the narcos often set up checkpoints disguised as cops and military?

Sometimes I wonder if all the military checkpoints don't do more harm than good. They get people used to seeing checkpoints and create an environment where the narco roadblocks can blend in. I'm sure the narcos spot the real ones and spread the word within minutes of it being set up. I'd rather see those resources used in patrolling the highways randomly.

What if the govt said something like "we will NEVER have a checkpoint on Mx57. If you see one, it's the bad guys. Stop and turn around and report it."


robt65

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This PM sent to me by my friend Panamajohn and his daughter, who left Harlingen, Texas Thursday (yesterday) via the Mission crossing and went to my home in San Juan del Rio last night. It was about a 12 hour trip all in all. Here is road report for me, as I am leaving Mission on Sunday or Monday for San Juan del Rio as I received the clearance from both eye surgeons today. The Tahoe engine and drive line yoke as well as a brake switch is repaired, now to do a washing and pack some things in the trailer. It's good to be headed home.

Panamajohns report to me.

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From: panama john
Date Sent:
Apr 22, 2011, 2:57 PM
Rob; Thank your wife for the hospitality and excellent food. I'm sorry about not staying overnight, give my apologies to Jimena. We spent the night in Tula and arrived here in Cordoba at 11:00 am today. Take it easy on your trip and don't worry, everything will work out fine. I saw military convoys all the way to Cordoba Veracruz. So they are out there protecting the people.We leave here at 4:30 am tomorrow by bus to the Mex. airport and will be in Santiago, Panama tomorrow night. Happy Easter and have a safe trip. John


robt65

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Hey Reefhound,

Yes he knows the difference, he is pretty savvy. He has lived many years in Mexico and a couple of other Latin American countries. He can smell the difference!

Robt65


Vichil

Apr 27, 2011, 5:07 PM

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Mexico is beefing up the Southern border according to the papers down here in Chiapas and convoys are coming in from many different areas.
Military convoys is a usual sight when we go through Vera Cruz, Tabasco and Chiapas...nothing unusual.


turnabout

Apr 28, 2011, 7:17 AM

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You, once again, are completly wacked. suggesting that checkpoints are narcos and to turn a run is the thoughts of an unstable person who tries to submit their irrational thoughts onto unknowning readers. Not everyone reads this forum everyday, some people are new to the forum and have yet to determine that your "reality" is just that. Are you willing to take responsibility for someone who ran from a check point and was killed after reading your post.


esperanza

Apr 28, 2011, 7:31 AM

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What if the govt said something like "we will NEVER have a checkpoint on Mx57. If you see one, it's the bad guys. Stop and turn around and report it."

Turnabout, if you look carefully at what Reefhound said, he proposed a theoretical statement from the Mexican government, prefaced by carefully saying "what if". He did not suggest that "checkpoints are narcos" (although certainly false checkpoints [narcoretenes] have been well documented in both the Mexican and foreign press) and he did not suggest that anyone turn and run.

Reefhound gives clear and accurate news from the Mexico/USA border area. Anyone reading Mexconnect would be well advised to read them closely.

And yes, folks, I'm back.

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Reefhound


Apr 28, 2011, 8:44 AM

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Thanks for sparing me from a thread-locking reply. ;-)

I believe I stated about two years ago that I would be inclined to not stop for a suspicious checkpoint. I amended that position clearly. I have stated numerous times recently that I will not advise anyone whether they should stop or flee. There is no procedure that ensures a safe outcome. Too many variables. People have stopped and been killed, people have ran and been killed, people have stopped and lived, people have ran and lived. Many believe that your odds are better to stop and I don't contest that. I would probably stop myself. Anyone that plans to flee though should be aware the gun men are not bluffing.


tonyburton


Apr 28, 2011, 8:50 AM

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Welcome back!!
The Forums will certainly benefit (as previously) from your sage advice, guidance and experience. Thanks! Tony


robt65

Apr 28, 2011, 9:28 AM

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Hi Esperanza,

It sure is good to see you back here again. I have missed your insight on many topics. I hope all is well.

robt65
 
 
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