Jul 16, 2010, 10:58 AM
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Dia duit --- robt65
Re: [robt65] Irish and Living in Mexico - Remember the "Los Patricos"
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Always glad to see someone take an interest in things Irish. In the Lake Chapala area of Mexico there is an organization called the Irish Society of Mexico that you can contact by their email firstname.lastname@example.org social club.
During the Mexican-American War, I can't say with certainty that there was or was not "pipers"--it just seemed unlikely as most of these Irish recruits were famine survivors and they were dropping like flies on the roads to the embarkation ports such as Cork, Limerick, Galway, et.al. In addition to the million and a half that left Ireland, another two million (approx.), starved to death. These were the poorest of the poor. The only people with crest, shields, tartans, bagpipes, etc., would have been the "ascendancy" families or old Norman-Irish and even older Celtic, so called "royalty" families. My people came from Donegal, Galway, Clare, and Limerick, and only from one of these families can I trace a "coat of arms". Of course these genealogy societies can be quite creative when you pay them a fee for research.
These US army recruits in 1845-46, would have been famine people--not normal immigrants just seeking a better life with better paying jobs, living conditions, and the usual things that take people from one area to another. The Irish that came later would fit that description.
It is ironic that many of the Irish immigrants and their descendants in the US evolved politically from almost Democratic party "socialists" to country club Republican party "conservatives", in a few generations--or as my father's favorite expression about them-- "they forgot where they came from". I'm not taking sides in any political debate.
Two very well written books about the the San Patricios, if you would like to pursue the subject further are:
1--"The Irish Soldiers of Mexico" by Dr. Michael Hogan--a resident of Guadalajara. He also was the historical advisor for the movie "One Man's Hero" starring Tom Berenguer.
2--"Shamrock and Sword" by Robert Ryal Miller--Professor Emeritus of History at California State University, Hayward CA
As far as I know the bagpipes have never been US army regulation musical equiptment--not even for the "Fighting 69th"--the famous Irish regiment of WWI.
Have enjoyed this discussion about the Irish and the San Patricios
Daithi Mac Giolla Meidhre (my name in Gaeilge)