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Kimpatsu Hekigan


Apr 10, 2009, 3:16 PM

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According to this article in El Universal, beginning today, purchasers of new cell phones must provide their name and address, valid photo ID, proof of current residence, and allow their fingerprint to be taken.

If you already own a cell phone, you have one year to contact your mobile carrier and give them the same information. If you fail to do so, your service will be canceled with no way to get it back!

This is supposedly an anti-crime measure to fight kidnapping and extortion, but whoa! Sure sounds like Big Brother has come to Mexico...

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/590185.html

FWIW,

-- K.H.

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After enlightenment: Chop wood, haul water.

Riverman

Apr 11, 2009, 6:39 PM

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Does this mean that now a visitor can't buy a SIM card, to use with their NOB phone, to use while on holiday or on a fact finding trip?
I hope not because my "pay as you go" phone plan from Canada won't work here.

Rolly


Mar 15, 2010, 10:09 AM

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A reminder that your cell phone must be registered before 11 April 2010. If you bought it in México after 10 April 2009, it was registered when you bought it.

To register, go see your service provider.

Rolly Pirate

morgaine7


Mar 15, 2010, 10:43 AM

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It's best to verify registration, even if your phone is post-April 2009. I bought mine in September 2009 (at the Telcel center) and it wasn't registered.

Kate

Zorba

Mar 15, 2010, 11:21 AM

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You can still buy a SIMM card as a visitor. I did it this summer. You just have to give a copy of your passport.

This will likely have as much effect on the criminals as the gun laws. None. They will probably find a way around it. Just one possibility is that they use SIMM cards from Guatemala instead of Mexico.

In fact it might work against us. Now corrupt individuals in the system can sell the criminals your phone number and address in order to kidnap and extort.


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gpkgto

Mar 15, 2010, 12:15 PM

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The news said only half of the 80+ million cell phones in Mexico have been registered--the deadline will almost certainly be delayed.

tashby


Mar 15, 2010, 3:22 PM

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the deadline will almost certainly be delayed.

A delay in Mexico? You must be kidding.

Here's a spooky thought: What if there isn't a deadline extension and all those 40 million customers, give or take a few million, have to buy new SIM cards and get new phone numbers? I wonder where that would put Sr. Slim on the Forbes moneybags list.

If, by the way, you happen to be a Telcel customer you can register the phone by sending a text message. The message you send is "ALTA.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" and you send it to 2877. The "xxxxxxx" represents your very lengthly CURP number. Notice the punto between the letters "Alta" and your CURP. If you've successfully done it they send you a confirmation message saying "El number 0000000000 ha quedado registrado con la CURP xxxxxxxxxxxx."

I got my CURP # at the local Registro Civil in Ajijic. Original passport and FM3, with copies of face pages and prorrogas page was all I needed. Painless.

That's all I know. Please don't ask me if your cell phone has already been registered because back when you bought it they took copies of your passport along with a specimen sample. I have no idea.

I just follow directions like a good boy.

Anonimo

Mar 15, 2010, 4:29 PM

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The Pátzcuaro Registro Civíl requires an apostilled Acta de Nacimiento en el caso de nosotros los extranjeros para obtener una CURP.

So I am told by an informed fellow ex-pat.

Our phones were bought in 2007, and although I was thinking of getting a new one, I now hesitate to do so.

Saludos,
Anonimo

(This post was edited by Anonimo on Mar 15, 2010, 4:29 PM)

mazbook1


Mar 15, 2010, 4:41 PM

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Anonimo,

That's the first time I've heard of that. Since the Registro Civil is NOT who actually issues the CURP, why not try getting it at Hacienda, the tax office. They gave me mine on the spot (with copies of my passport and FM3) when I applied.

tashby's method of registering, just sending the text message he gave to the 4 digit number (for TelCel) works like a charm. I just did it and without moving from in front of my computer it took a whole 3 or 4 minutes, including the time waiting for the confirmation.

morgaine7


Mar 15, 2010, 5:12 PM

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The INM website says that FM2 holders get the CURP there, but that doesn't work in La Paz. INM sent me to the Registro Civil and said just to show my FM2. The RC folks acted as if they'd never seen an FM2 and at first told me it was expired. I had to point out the page with the current renewal, but once they saw it was valid, I had the CURP in a few minutes. I then registered the phone with Telcel exactly as Tashby described.

Kate

tashby


Mar 15, 2010, 5:35 PM

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The Pátzcuaro Registro Civíl requires an apostilled Acta de Nacimiento en el caso de nosotros los extranjeros para obtener una CURP.
There's some noise in this neck of the woods that a guy who went to the Chapala Registro Civil was asked for a certified copy of his birth certificate, too. Not my experience in Ajijic, just 3 miles down the road. (Two offices....two different answers??? How could that be???)

The thing is, there are so many ex-pats in this area that become so addled so quickly when faced with a little Mexican beauracracy that you never know whether to believe their version of "truth" or not.

Lots of misinformation shared very, very freely in this neighborhood. Around here it's always best to check the local outlet yourself.

richmx2


Mar 15, 2010, 6:10 PM

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Here's an even scarier thought. According to SDPNoticias, the leaders of the SME (the old Electrical Workers' Union that was forcibly "liquidated") had their cellular service cut off today with no notification, no nothin'.

Whatever one thinks about the SME, it looks like the gov. has a tool for controlling it's citizens and intends to use it.


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Vichil

Mar 15, 2010, 6:27 PM

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I bought my cel last year and I have been getting mesages to get the phone registered on and off. The messages came after I dialed a number and the calls did not go through. I had to hang up and try again.
There is no question in my mind that cel phones can be disabled if they are not registered. I had not heard anything about registering when I got the first messages.
We just bought another cel yesterday for my husband and the store had us register the phone on the spot with my CURP.

tashby


Mar 15, 2010, 9:53 PM

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Here's an even scarier thought..... <major edit> ... it looks like the gov. has a tool for controlling it's citizens and intends to use it.

I just knew if I used the word "spooky" it would conjure up a conspiracy theory! But I thought it would focus on the mysterious fellow of alleged Lebanese descent.....in the study.....with the wallet....in his pocket.

<just for grins everybody....that's okay, right?>

bournemouth

Mar 17, 2010, 6:45 PM

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I'm only just getting around to reading Sunday's edition of the Guadalajara paper Mural. It has an article on cell phone registration - apparently the four cell phone companies have jointly asked RENAUT for another year to complete registration. Whether they will get it remains to be seen.

Rolly


Mar 25, 2010, 11:24 AM

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The News (here) reports:
MEXICO CITY – The deadline for millions of cell phone users to register their personal data with carriers has been extended.
Dep. José Adán Ignacio Rubí, president of the communications committee in the Chamber of Deputies, said Wednesday that lawmakers are extending the April 10 deadline by six months to allow more than 43 million people to send their data to be added to the National Mobile Phone User Registry (Renaut).

Rolly Pirate

Anonimo

Mar 25, 2010, 3:46 PM

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Taking a cue from Camille, we went to one of the many TelCel shops and asked if we could register there.
The answer was "sí", and all we needed was a copy of our passport. The señorita behind the counter filled out a form, opened our phones and looked at the serial numbers and recorded them.

She told us that within 2 hours, we would be registered. We took a copy of the form with us. Nada más, she said. No charge.

We'll see if there's any further text messages regarding registration. Hope not.

Saludos,
Anonimo

Casa

Mar 25, 2010, 7:37 PM

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The Informador Newspaper reports this evening that:

Anticipa Senado rechazar prórroga para registro de celulares

Senate expected to reject the extension of cell phone registration

El presidente de la Cámara alta descarta que se vaya a aprobar la ampliación ya avalada por los diputados

The chairman of the Senate rejects that the extension supported by the lower house (Chamber of Deputies) will be approved…

http://www.informador.com.mx/...tro-de-celulares.htm

JohnnyBoy

Mar 30, 2010, 1:01 PM

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This ALTA.CURP# method worked for us.

I went into a TelCel office earlier and they said they would register my phone, but that I needed a CURP number, and I was sure I did not have one. I asked my Mexican partner if he had one, and he said he did. So I dragged him, kicking and screaming, into the same TelCel office. He wanted to mañana this, like the phone bill and everything else he is responsible for. But I insisted.

Same girl who said she would register my phone if I had a CURP number, now would not register our phones with my partner's CURP number. Not even his. But from this very Mexican experience I learned that the CURP number is supposed to be on Mexican driver's licenses. That is where my partner looked for his. So I looked at my new Mexican DL and sure enough, there was a CURP number.

The girl at the TelCel office apparently told my partner to register our phones ourselves by using the ALTA.CURP# method. I did not get the jist of their conversation as it blew by me at super-sonic speed in Sonoran dialect.

But, later, partner registered both phones with the ALTA.CUPR# method. And he got the satisfaction of postponing it at least a few hours.

johanson


Mar 30, 2010, 1:36 PM

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John, I can only speak for the Jalisco driver's license. But in Jalisco if you have not received/do not have an 18 alphanumeric character ID called a CURP, the computer or employee where you get your driver's license generates a 10 alphanumeric character ID called a R.F.C. where the first four characters are letters from your name and the last six characters are numbers standing for the year, month and date you were born, which of course is not a CURP, and I'm told could not be used when registering your phone.

Perhaps your friend used the same curp to register both phones.

Recently, after having gotten my Jalisco Drivers license, just for the heck of it, I got a curp as well, an operation that took me maybe 10 minutes.

With that curp, I simply sent a message that said only "alta.curp" to the telephone # 2877 . Oh and where you see the word curp I entered my 18 character curp. 3 minutes later I got a message back in Spanish saying that my request was in process and perhaps 5 minutes later I got a message stating that my curp (they showed my curp) was registered to my cell # as of a certain date (they also showed my cell phone #)

Any 13 year old who of course already has a curp can send such a text message in a few seconds. With me? it took a lot longer as I am not good at creating letters from a 12 character cell phone keyboard :)


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Anonimo

Mar 30, 2010, 2:12 PM

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What a revelation! I just checked my Mexican driver's license, and there it is: RFC/CURP xxxxxxxxxxx etc.

Saludos,
Anonimo

JohnnyBoy

Mar 30, 2010, 2:58 PM

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Maybe you did not understand what I wrote or I did not write it clearly.

When I saw my partner look for his CURP in his Mexican DL, I then looked at my Mexican DL, and lo and behold, there it was.

And yes, my partner registered both of our cell phones using his CURP. I could have done mine separately, but he just took my phone and sent the poop, as he had done with his, and we were all done.

After I posted my last message here, it occurred to me that the girl in the TelCel office who first asked me if I had a CURP and I told her I did not, because I did not realize I had one on my DL, if I had known about it and had told her I had one, she would then probably have told me how to register the phone using the phone, just as she did the next day with my partner. But I left there that day thinking that if I had a CURP she would have registered the phoone for me.

At first I thought it was odd she would lead me to believe that if I had a CURP she would have registered it for me and then when we went in with my partner's CURP she refused to register the phones for us. But I can't know that for sure.

Anyway, I got the phone registered and I learned that I have a CURP, if I ever need it again.

mazbook1


Mar 30, 2010, 6:16 PM

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I hate to tell you, but you not only don't have a CURP, but that "RFC" on your driver's license isn't really an RFC. An RFC consists of 4 letters (first two are the first two in your family name, second two are the first two in your first name) the 6 digits in the yymmdd form that are your date of birth, but to be a real RFC, there are then three alphanumeric characters that are random, so that those first 10 are differenciated from anyone else with the same first 10. Without the full 13 characters, which can only be gotten from Hacienda, the Federal tax folks, all you have is a "sort of" RFC, which may be all they need for just a driver's license.

My true RFC starts with BODA, something that always gets a grin from clerks making out a factura for me.

johanson


Mar 30, 2010, 8:40 PM

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I hate to tell you, but you not only don't have a CURP, but that "RFC" on your driver's license isn't really an RFC. An RFC consists of 4 letters (first two are the first two in your family name, second two are the first two in your first name) the 6 digits in the yymmdd form that are your date of birth, but to be a real RFC, there are then three alphanumeric characters that are random, so that those first 10 are differenciated from anyone else with the same first 10. Without the full 13 characters, which can only be gotten from Hacienda, the Federal tax folks, all you have is a "sort of" RFC, which may be all they need for just a driver's license.

My true RFC starts with BODA, something that always gets a grin from clerks making out a factura for me. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I REPLY:
Thanks for explaining to me that the 10 alphanumeric character ID on my Jalisco drivers license is not an RFC or curp. I incorrectly presumed that it was a RFC. You explained that a real RFC has 13, not 10 characters. I had already registered my cell phone a year ago using my passport, but I wanted to see how hard it was to register with a real curp for an article I was writing for the Guadalajara Reporter, so just for the heck of it, after breakfast on March 12th, I walked across the square in Ajijic to the municipal office and applied for a real CURP. I came with the original and copy of my passport and FM-3 and within less than ten minutes I had a real CURP, cool. I was lucky because it was so easy. I’m told that in Chapala, for example, they also want a copy of your birth certificate.
And with that real curp it was really easy to send a text message to the # 2877 which only said alta.curp where the word curp was replaced with my 18 alphanumeric character curp, which I refuse to share with you because it shows how old (que ruco) I am.
So, yes, in my case, I have a real curp but apparently I do not have a real RFC


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Mar 30, 2010, 8:47 PM

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Not necessarily. My RFC begins with 2 letters corresponding to my paternal surname, followed by the first letter of my maternal surname, followed by my first initial before all those numbers and other stuff.

In fact, wikipedia (on this occasion) appears to cover RFC pretty well (in Spanish): RFC (Mexico)


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mazbook1


Mar 30, 2010, 9:24 PM

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Tony, How in the world did you get your Maternal surname in the mix? I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, been allowed to put my mother's maiden family name on ANY official papers in México…not in 12 years. I even had to redo ALL my paperwork for my Solicitude de Naturalización because the first ones I did HAD my mother's maiden family name, as I had incorrectly been told on a forum about the process that to be naturalized as a Mexican citizen I had to adopt my mother's maiden family name as my new apellido materno. WRONG! I am now a proud Mexican citizen with NO apellido materno.

The folks at Hacienda told me that for gringos needing an RFC, this was the way that it was done, since we didn't have an apellido materno. I just pulled a factura from another working gringo here in Mazatlán and find that in his case they used the first initial of his first name and the first initial of his middle name for those second two letters of that first, 4-letter block, so I guess for gringos, it just depends on who does your paperwork at Hacienda for the decision as to what those second two letters are. The wikipedia (es) article doesn't address that case at all.

David Wise Bodwell - BODA + all the rest.

Zorba

Mar 31, 2010, 2:49 AM

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"And yes, my partner registered both of our cell phones using his CURP. I could have done mine separately, but he just took my phone and sent the poop, as he had done with his, and we were all done."

I am sure you and your partner have a trusting relationship, but it should be noted that people would be wise not to allow other people to use their curp/name to register phones. If that person ever committed a crime using their phone, it would be registered under your name and you would be the one traced down and possibly the one held responsible. Clearly, you do not intend to do this to your partner so it is a non-issue but in general it would be wise for people to take this into consideration.

It is one reason why this new law will likely only inconvenience law abiding citizens and infringe upon their privacy as opposed to catching criminals using phones to commit crimes. If they think a criminal can't find a way to simply register their phone under someone else's name they are probably wrong. We will likely be finding phones registered in the names of dead people in the years to come.

sparks


Mar 31, 2010, 3:53 AM

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I believe the birth certificate is just for Mexicans ... passport and visa for extranjeros. At least that's Joco's policy

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tonyburton / Moderator


Mar 31, 2010, 7:54 AM

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I imagine it depends largely on what is requested the first time you deal with officialdom. In Mexico City in the 1970s, all non-Mexicans that I knew working in the city had work papers which gave their names Mexican-style, regardless of their country of citizenship. Maybe Mazatlan and some other jurisdictions had decided that too many foreigners had no idea what their maternal surname actually was.

mexijo

Apr 7, 2010, 11:51 AM

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The registration is a joke. You can send an SMS with *any* curb and you are done.
Those guys already have thousands of phones registered - I you like you can switch every day:

# Felipe de Jesús Calderón Hinojosa (CURP: CAHF620818HMNLNL09),
# Elba Esther Gordillo Morales (CURP: GOME450206MCSRRL09)
# Andrés Manuel López Obrador (CURP: LOOA531113HTCPBN07),
# Vicente Fox Quesada (CURP: FOQV420702HDFXSC07 ),
# Carlos Salinas de Gortari (CURP: SAGC480403HDFLRR03),
# Miguel de la Madrid Hurtado (CURP: MAHM341212HCMDRG09)

gpkgto

Apr 7, 2010, 12:03 PM

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If you use someone else's CURP they can have your service cancelled--all they have to do is report the phone missing/stolen.

mexijo

Apr 7, 2010, 12:07 PM

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I wonder if they have any verification build in there? Doubt it. That will become the favourite trick kids play on their teachers :)

joaquinx


Apr 7, 2010, 12:18 PM

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When you buy a cell phone with a new SIM or a SIM card alone, it has to be activated, no? Your name and address is entered into a computer database somewhere. Can't they use this information rather than a CURP number.

I went ahead and got a CURP number and registered my cell just in case something bazaar happened. I just have a feeling that this requirement will go the way of many other governmental ideas - a wasted effort.
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gpkgto

Apr 7, 2010, 12:23 PM

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I think newe purchases are not the issue--it's the 40 million (I think I read that number somewhere) already in use that needed to be registered.

joaquinx


Apr 7, 2010, 12:32 PM

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I think newe purchases are not the issue--it's the 40 million (I think I read that number somewhere) already in use that needed to be registered.

What I was referring to was the ones that were bought years ago, such as mine. Telcel has my name and address when I bought my first cell four years ago. I have changed phones but retained the SIM. Wouldn't that be considered "registered"?
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Peter


Apr 7, 2010, 12:36 PM

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I just wrote about my difficulties in obtaing a CURP number on the thread by that title, and still have a TelCel phone I've about given up on registering. With this registration you are the first person they will come to if your phone is mis-used, whether it be because it was lost or stolen, or whatever. I like the idea of giving the responsibility back to the ones with this hare-brained idea. Thanks. I tried to comply.

Peter


Apr 7, 2010, 12:47 PM

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What I was referring to was the ones that were bought years ago, such as mine. Telcel has my name and address when I bought my first cell four years ago. I have changed phones but retained the SIM. Wouldn't that be considered "registered"?
I did the same, registered my TelCel when I first bought it but that doesn't seem to count as I continue to get cancellation messages telling me to register. But it only seems to be TelCel that requires this CURP number. I now have Unefon and Movistar phones and neither needed the CURP to register. The richest man in the world doesn't get that way without inconveniencing as many people as he can, it seems.

mexijo

Apr 7, 2010, 12:59 PM

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Telcel has my name and address when I bought my first cell four years ago. I have changed phones but retained the SIM. Wouldn't that be considered "registered"?
No - they want it registered under the new system.
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mexijo

Apr 7, 2010, 1:04 PM

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But it only seems to be TelCel that requires this CURP number. I now have Unefon and Movistar phones and neither needed the CURP to register. The richest man in the world doesn't get that way without inconveniencing as many people as he can, it seems.

Actually you don't need a CURP to register. You can also send a SMS with your name, birthday, etc. in a special format:
ALTA.maria eugenia.perez de anda.17101983
Then they ask you for more information and it becomes a mess :)
http://www.renaut.gob.mx/RENAUT/?page=preguntas
My advice: SMSs a CURP or stand in line at a Telmex-Center.
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mexijo

Apr 7, 2010, 1:08 PM

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This reminds me so much of the infamous Registro Nacional de Vehiculos that was finally buried in 2000.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/RENAVE_%28Registro_Nacional_de_Veh%C3%ADculos%29
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joaquinx


Apr 7, 2010, 1:12 PM

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Actually you don't need a CURP to register. You can also send a SMS with your name, birthday, etc. in a special format:
ALTA.maria eugenia.perez de anda.17101983
Then they ask you for more information and it becomes a mess :)
http://www.renaut.gob.mx/RENAUT/?page=preguntas
My advice: SMSs a CURP or stand in line at a Telmex-Center.

I tried this method a number of times and could never get it to accept the information. It took less than 5 minutes to get my CURP and there wasn't a line. Mexican bureaucracy must have had a day off that day. With the CURP, I got approved(?) in 2 hours.
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Apr 7, 2010, 1:39 PM

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It took less than 5 minutes to get my CURP and there wasn't a line. Mexican bureaucracy must have had a day off that day. With the CURP, I got approved(?) in 2 hours.
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They are back at work today. I tried to get my CURP today and after about 2 hours gave up and bought a phone from a different company.

First, the address for the registro was out of date and I had about a 10 minute walk to another location. With some 200 or so people waiting or standing in line I found my line and it only had about five people ahead of me. After about 40 minutes in that line I presented my passport and FM-3 to the clerk but after a quick look at the visa she told me it had errors and referred me back to the immigration office to correct those before I could be issued a CURP number.

Now I have a TelCel phone unregistered and a new Movistar phone that only needed my passport for the sales clerk to register. Calls to the US on Movistar run $6 pesos per half-hour, TelCel about $20 pesos a minute.

jerezano

Apr 10, 2010, 11:39 AM

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Hello all,

The Sol de Zacatecas reported this morning, April 10th, 2010, that there will be virtual delay permitted in filing for the registration.The ruling body of the telecomunications industry, REAUNT or some such name, has stated that because of the saturation for filing, the service to the cell phone will be discontinued until the phone is registered, but the number will not be erased. Effectively, this postpones the deadline date. Apparently the phone can no longer be used by the owner to register (no service) but must be registered at one of the offices. This seems a logical conclusion, but this is Mexico, after all.

Hasta luego, jerezano

morgaine7


Apr 10, 2010, 11:49 AM

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I'm sure glad I didn't wait until the last minute. This photo from a regional newspaper shows this morning's queue at a La Paz Telcel center. Ouch!!



Kate

johanson


Apr 10, 2010, 11:57 AM

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Just for the heck of it, I dropped by the local telcel office to see how crowded it was. You might normally see 0 to 2 clients in the office on Saturday. But today is the 10th and the place was swamped, you know the office is small and there about 10 persons there. The Americans had copies of their passports with them and a few even had curps but didn't know how to send a text message. At least one of those in line had gotten a message on line stating that he had to either register his phone or it would stop working, or something to that effect.

Thank god I got my curp, an 8 minute effort at no cost, a while back and was able to register my phone before the things got too hectic

Riverman

Apr 11, 2010, 11:23 AM

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Yes, got a text message to register this week then on the 10th my SIM became unregistered, not too much I could do here on Vancouver Island, just have to wait till I return. John

Rolly


Apr 11, 2010, 11:53 AM

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There is an article in today's Torreón newspaper that says it may be some time before all the unregistered phones are deactivated because of the sheer size of the chore. The service providers have promised the government that they will move as fast as their resources (staff?) will allow. It may be that procrastinators will still have some time before their service stops.

Rolly Pirate

johanson


Apr 11, 2010, 12:04 PM

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At least you have coverage on your part of "The Island", John. I wonder if there is a way to register your phone when out of the country. I hope if someone figures out how, they will post it here. Good luck.

morgaine7


Apr 11, 2010, 12:16 PM

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A friend registered the phone of someone in the US with a copy of his passport, his cell number, and an email from him asking her to do it. This was at a Telcel service center.

Kate

Casa

Apr 11, 2010, 3:05 PM

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Well I registered my cell phone last week with my CURP and even received a confirmation SMS back. In addition I checked the RENAUT web site to confirm that my cell phone was registered with my CURP but right after midnight my cell phone stopped working.

I can receive calls OK, But as when I try to make a call I get a message saying that I need to register my phone and the call cannot be completed.

What a joke. I wonder how many other people will run into this problem. I have a hard time believing I am the only one that this is happening to.

According to SDP Noticias:
It seems the second phase of registering will require people to go to RENAPO with a photo ID, over 60 million people lining up to show an ID or get finger printed at RENAPO offices.............Craziness...... I wonder how long until the RENAUT goes the way of the RENAVE...... or will we see US burner prepaid cell phone on the "Bad Guys" shopping list when they go north for weapons and amo ??


RENAPO, RENAVE, RENAUT -> REdiculous*

(*I spelt it this way on purpose, it’s a play on words)


(This post was edited by Casa on Apr 11, 2010, 3:36 PM)

Maesonna

Apr 11, 2010, 3:35 PM

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I was able to register the phone of my daughter, who is out of the country, at a Telcel service center with only a copy of her CURP. They didn't want to see her ID or anything else.


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tashby


Apr 11, 2010, 5:48 PM

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Interesting. I was curious about the big (or not) SHEBANG. And saw your post.

So I picked up my (almost never used) cell phone that I'd registered via CURP #/text message/confirmation received.

I dialed our home phone # here in Mexico and it rang.

Ours works for now.....anyway......I guess.

JRinPV

Apr 12, 2010, 8:46 AM

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If you've ever been censused, had the census person come to your door and filled out the info. required, you can get your CURP on-line. For Jalisco
http://curp.jalisco.gob.mx/curp.html

Casa

Apr 13, 2010, 7:45 AM

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If you use someone else's CURP they can have your service cancelled--all they have to do is report the phone missing/stolen.
The Informador News Paper is reporting that so far about 12,000 cell phones have been registered using Felipe Calderon’s personal information and about 4,000 cell phones have been registered using Carlos Slims personal information.

Other popular figures with a lot of registered cell phones include ex-president Vicente Fox Quesada, el diputado Francisco Ramírez Acuña, governors Enrique Peña Nieto (Estado de México) y Emilio González Márquez (Jalisco), Cardinal Norberto Rivera, and even Rafael Ponfilio Acosta Ángeles “Juanito”.
But it seems this should be all straightened out in the second phase of the regulation which requires about 60 million people to line up and confirm their identity in person!

(and people thought the lines to register cell phones were long last week...)

Peter


Apr 13, 2010, 10:11 AM

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That should demonstrate how easy it is for one's personal information to be mis-used, and how dificult it may be to detect the mis-use, even if you are a head-of-state.

It may be that after a massive re-confirmation Felipe will end up with fewer phones in his name, but perhaps not before some crimes are committed using one of his phones. In such case it seems likely his alibi would hold more water than if the same happened to José Soplo.

Zorba

Apr 14, 2010, 1:44 AM

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"The Informador News Paper is reporting that so far about 12,000 cell phones have been registered using Felipe Calderon’s personal information and about 4,000 cell phones have been registered using Carlos Slims personal information."

Haha! Oh man, that is sooooo Mexican! Haha!

How the hell are people getting a hold of other people's CURP, etc? That should be confidential info! This is one example of why I am very careful in Mexico with info. There is no way your personal details are safe. My phone, my car, my bank accounts, my license, etc. are all registered under an address where I dont actually live. Electricity is registered under a different name. This way, nobody can just run my plates to find out where I live or go to a corrupt official to find out.

Anyways, what is the point of registering them electronically if people will just have to show up in person after?

richmx2


Apr 14, 2010, 7:38 PM

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Even assuming 20,000 phones were registered under joke names, and with 61,875,000+ phones registered with TelCel alone, that is only 0.03 percent -- much less if you factor in the other companies. It's about the number of wise-acres you'd find in any society, and there's nothing "typically Mexican" about it. You'd expect a certain amount of spin about ANYTHING done by ANY government ANYWHERE on the planet. But a hardship? Why do WE have to do it? Uh... because "we" live here and them's the rules.


http://mexfiles.net
http://voiceofmexico.com
http://editorialmazatlan.com

johnv

Apr 14, 2010, 9:35 PM

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Zorba, it is very easy to figure out a person's Curp. I posted this information on these forums already. The information is good for checking your own Curp to see if it is right, because rest assured that they will get it screwed up. Just like many on these forums will not be able to comprehend the following, so it is that the issuers of Curp's may not comprehend the instructions either:

1. Given name. (first name)

2. First surname: the father's first surname.

3. Second surname: the mother's first surname.

The CURP code is composed of 18 characters that are assigned as follows:

* The first surname's initial and first inside vowel:
* The second surname's initial (or the letter "X" if,
like some foreign nationals, the person has
no second surname):
* The first given name's initial:
* Date of birth (2 digits for year, 2 digits for month,
and 2 digits for day);
* A one-letter gender indicator (H for male
(hombre in Spanish) or M for female
(mujer in Spanish)):
* A two-letter code for the state where the person
was born; for persons born abroad,
the code NE (nacido en el extranjero)
is used:
* The first surname's first inside consonant:
* The second surname's first inside consonant:
* The first given name's first inside consonant:
* Two characters ranging from 1-9 for people born
before 2000 or from A-Z for people born since
2000; these characters are generated by the
National Population Registry to prevent
identical entries:

Zorba

Apr 14, 2010, 11:17 PM

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"Even assuming 20,000 phones were registered under joke names, and with 61,875,000+ phones registered with TelCel alone, that is only 0.03 percent -- much less if you factor in the other companies."

The point isn't how many did it, but that it can be done. Easily.


"It's about the number of wise-acres you'd find in any society, and there's nothing "typically Mexican" about it."

Sure, but these wise guys registered them in the name of Carlos Slim himself! That's fucking hilarious. If you don't think that is typically Mexican than we hang out with different Mexicans I guess.

"You'd expect a certain amount of spin about ANYTHING done by ANY government ANYWHERE on the planet. But a hardship? Why do WE have to do it? Uh... because "we" live here and them's the rules."

I never said anything about it being unfair or something to have to register. My point is that it's clearly a flawed system. It appears that they plan to us the CURP for any and all business with the government. Not very comforting. Do you think it's a good idea to have your Social Security number out on the internet for anybody to see?


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sioux4noff

Apr 15, 2010, 5:46 PM

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Sure, but these wise guys registered them in the name of Carlos Slim himself! That's fucking hilarious. If you don't think that is typically Mexican than we hang out with different Mexicans I guess.
I don't think it typically Mexican. I have many American friends who would do the same.

Zorba

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That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. Generally speaking, Mexicans are great at avoiding direct conflict. Instead, they are masters of passive agressive moves and will operate behind the scenes to your detriment if they think you have treated them unfairly or disrespectfully. You may get pissy with your mechanic and he will simply smile wryly or put on a smug face. Then for some reason your car is never the same and you just can't figure out why. They have a long memory and are very patient. Hence, it is best that you have a lot of patience yourself and when things are not going your way you should use some humour to get what you want or simply agree to part ways. Of course you can find such behaviour in all people and cultures to a degree, but it is particularly pronounced in the Mexican culture. These of course are gross generalizations, but so what. Canadians are boring, Americans are arrogant, and the Japanese are shy.

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And on that note we'll end this thread, ladies and gentlemen. Start another if you wish to continue the conversation.
 
 
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